A Better Alternative to the H-Word

A Better Alternative to the H-Word

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The word “Hell” can carry so much baggage that it ceases to be helpful in conversations with non-Christians about the afterlife. Tim Barnett of Stand to Reason shares an alternative to the H-word that can be more productive.

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39 thoughts on “A Better Alternative to the H-Word

  1. BND Woodlands

    This guy is way off base. You can’t water down the truth. Hell is hell like a man is a man and a woman is a woman. What is this dummy going to come up with next?

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  2. D Schneider

    He is wiser than Jesus!?!

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  3. Jack Gwynn

    2Ti 2:15 – Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  4. Robert J

    If "hell" has too much baggage I tremble to think of how we would be expected to trick up the phrase "blood" of Jesus/atonement!

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  5. Jeremy Hinken

    What modern Christians don’t seem to get is that God’s love is found in one person: Jesus Christ –

    [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God , which IS IN Christ Jesus our Lord .
    Rom. 8:39

    God's love is found in one place: at Calvary –

    [8] But God commendeth his love toward us , in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ DIED for us .
    Rom. 5:8.

    Just because God is good, merciful, and longsuffering to a sinner doesn’t mean He loves him enough to keep him out of Hell if that sinner rejects the payment God requires for that sinner’s sins. Anyone wanting to get rid of Hell is a SHUNNER :

    [27] For I have NOT shunned to declare unto you ALL the counsel of God .
    Acts 20:27

    [28] For I have five brethren; that he may TESTIFY unto them , lest they also come into this place of TORMENT .
    Luke 16:28

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  6. ScubaStimpy

    Erm Tim/Stand to Reason, changing the word doesn't change the concept being talked about, it's the concept atheists and even many Christians have a problem with not the word hell, its the idea of it that we find reprehensible and inherently contradictory to an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent deity. you can call it marshmallow village and we will still find the very idea of it both entirely reprehensible and inherently contradictory.

    all you are really advocating here is LYING to people.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  7. David Villalovos

    Any time a progressive Christian starts saying "that word carries a lot of baggage," it means they want to euphemize it, which is their second favorite pastime next to mischaracterizing and creating strawmen. Hell is like a place where there's this watershed moment and you're going to go one way or the other on it: either you will affirm that sin really is bad and God's judgement is righteous, or else you'll have to get rid of hell somehow. Hell is separation from God. God wants to be in relationship with us. But in order for a relationship to happen, both parties have to agree to it. If we say 'no' to a relationship with God, He will not force us. And if a person doesn't want relationship with God while he's alive and on Earth, why he or she imagines they might want one with God in Heaven after they die is quite beyond me. And so if we close the door on that relationship, we make up our mind, and God seconds our motion. And we remain in separation from God. That's what hell is. It's not some red place with fiery pitchforks. Don't blame me or God or Christianity for your caricature of hell. You want to blame someone? Blame TV or Hollywood for that. Or better yet, blame yourself for buying what they've so obviously sold you.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  8. Jasper R-Dehghan

    Evangelicalism should learn that our language need only align with the truth of the Bible and if God so desires to save the evangelized person then he will with or without us. Whether you use the word salvation in English, or in Spanish, or Cantonese or French or some regional African dialect in a tribe hidden from the world so long as you convey a word that accurately communicates the truth God revealed in the Bible you are doing that which is allowed and right to do. It doesn’t matter how wrong someone thinks about that word, if they don’t understand the word, explain it to them. Better yet, share the real gospel that if God desires will come to light in their mind just as it did in mine.

    The gospel is we have sinned against God and judgment will come upon the unsaved in the form of Hell but Jesus Christ, God in human flesh came to the world and gave himself on the cross, the righteous for the unrighteous , so repent from your sins and turn to faith in God in Christ Jesus.

    I used to watch many shows and movies that depicted Hell so inaccurately before I was saved and my thinking of Hell was distorted and my belief of it null. Yet God put his deep rooted fear in me of how terrifying a thing it is to fall into the hands of the living God and that the unsaved will be damned to Hell and it hasn’t left me for over a year so no matter the distorted view the unsaved has (or sometimes infants in Christ as I once was) God can mend. After all, God, Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. When we walk in him we never walk in darkness. He is the Word of God, the Word illuminates.

    Evangelicalism thinking the words they use will impact someone’s soul is futile and in vain. If someone doesn’t understand what a word properly means (the word Hell) explain it to them, teach them Scripturally. Or do you think we can with our technology, charisma, and wit devise an evangelical plan that saves more people than even when the Son of God himself came and they rejected him in his face with all his wisdom, knowledge, glory, and grace. Do not begin to go the route of synergism thinking salvation is both man and God, in every single way it is entirely God (Scripturally proved) from the love we have for him, to our faith in him, his grace that Saves, to his love and mercy for us by giving his son to become sin who knew no sin. What a beautiful and glorious thing of God and let no man think his futile attempts to go the route alone in saving others will redeem a single soul.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  9. janonymous f

    Where you'll burn forever if you don't obey but he loves you – to paraphrase George Carlin

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  10. Crucified with Christ

    I won't sugar coat like you're advising me to.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  11. rustyshadow7

    WHAT THE HELL!

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  12. Stand to Reason

    There seems to be a lot of confusion about the context of this short clip, and what exactly Tim is getting at. We think the full talk will help give a greater understanding to what Tim's is talking about here. Please, if you are able, watch the entire talk before jumping to conclusions or assuming the worst. Blessings.

    Here is a link to the full talk:
    https://youtu.be/m5OxL0GesAQ

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  13. rustyshadow7

    Yeah, somebody should've told Jesus. So stupid! Unsuscribing now

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  14. Anno Domini

    Bible says hell, Bible's the supernatural word unaltered.

    Also for faith being the evidence of things unseen:

    hebrews 11:1
    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  15. Paige B

    Jesus used hell, should we not use the words of the bible? Unsubscribed

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  16. J Benet

    I Just unsubscribed

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  17. Wayne Stewart

    Not sure I agree. Those seeking God will no-doubt educate themselves in language and history. Those on a "feelings-trip" will be the ones confusing the meaning, or just flat out ignoring the truth.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  18. fae ragan

    "Make sure you dont talk about what the Bible actually says. You dont want to scare away the nonbelievers with the truth, do you?"
    "Whoa, watch you language. Dont just outright mention Jesus to nonbelievers. We arent getting rid of Jesus by not talking about him, we are just gong to focus on the message of Jesus, which is love. We just think you shouldnt mention him to nonbelieviers because his name has so much baggage."

    This is what I thought of when listening to him. lol

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  19. np bjw

    Thank you!

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  20. Darren Robinson

    If a person does not repent and trust in Jesus where do they go after final judgement?

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  21. Jesus Is Risen

    “For whoever is ASHAMED of Me AND MY WORDS in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.” Mark 8:38

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  22. Chase Chance

    Dumb

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  23. Alex Sayenko

    I obey God rather than humans.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  24. Doulos

    So Jesus, the prophets and the apostles were all bad then?

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  25. 5 Solas

    Completely disagree. I'll use the words the Bible uses and properly define them. I don't care what it makes people think. If their thinking is wrong I'll correct it.
    What you've described is called pragmatism and it's a denial of the sufficiency of scripture. Channel is usually decent but that's just garbage. What are you people thinking?

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  26. Karles McQuade

    I'll save you 4 minutes: use the phrase "final judgment" instead of the word "hell."

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  27. Brandon Talley

    This is truly pathetic. Hell, hell, hell. Now str is trying to censor me from using biblical words used by the Bible? We should not try to deceive people. They will simply ask , oh you mean hell? We are to shine light into the darkness.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  28. Cary Hawkins

    WTFJ?!?

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  29. Glen Shaver

    why should I watch my language , when others listen to and/or feel after this one’s vuelcabularry ? per-sa’

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  30. Rick Glaze

    Not sure this is helpful as a focal point. Paul focused on sin and a need for repentance. Lack of repentance leads to judgement. Judgement without repentance leads to hell. Hell is not going to be pleasant. Jesus talked about it as a result of judgement of the unrepentant.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  31. Fanci McGuffin

    I thought this was going to be a well earned mockery of progressive Christianity. Instead I find a man telling me to censor my speech and sugar coat the truth in order not to offend? Excuse me?? I will obey Holy Spirit and speak truth and speak how and when He tells me to, not men who only care about being relevant. Yeesh. Badly done, STR. Very badly done.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  32. BigIdeaSeeker

    Evangelicalism is getting more and more empty of meaning, relevance, and truth with each new day.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  33. Jesus Is Risen

    That would be like a physician telling a patient, who unknowingly has stage 4 cancer, “you have a very bad disease”. We would sue such physicians for medical negligence or worst malpractice. How hateful of a physician must you be to not inform the patient of their cancer diagnosis?

    This is very dangerous. You’re messing with immortal souls here. If you try to erase HELL from your vocabulary while witnessing to an unbeliever and they die not knowing that the “FINAL JUDGEMENT” you were alluding to was actually an eternal lake of fire—how would you live with yourself?

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  34. Jason McVicar

    How does 'final judgement' have any less baggage for unbelievers than hell? And how long before they realize it's the same thing, and then all they hear when we say 'final judgment' is 'hell'? Do we really think they're not smart enough to ask, "are you talking about hell'? This is silly.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  35. Jesus Is Risen

    I wholly disagree with this video. Usually, this channel has edifying content.

    Not only is this an inadvertent step towards embracing a culture already saturated with progressive Christianity & liberalism, but this is more or less predicated on a pragmatism that panders to the carnal unregenerate mind rather than the infallible, inerrant Word of God.

    Essentially, your reasons for you opting (& persuading) others not to use hell is because of the possibility that the natural man would misconstrue it is not a sufficient or biblical reason to drop the terminology from our evangelism or apologetic.

    If someone misconstrued the the concept of Heaven to mean a harem of 1,000 virgins, that still wouldn’t be a justifiable reason to abandon using the word altogether. Instead use it as an opportunity to define & explain your terms clearly & biblically. Inform the unbeliever and gently correct such deficient/distorted views with patience & biblical instruction.

    Hell is a biblical term that Jesus used multiple times more than anybody in the Bible combined. We need to stop relying on our fickle, pragmatic wisdom and stop it with these clever capitulations.

    When I was lost & headed to HELL, God graciously sent a loving Christian to warn me of that dreaded doom and I flew to Christ for refuge!

    Enough with the pragmatism. If God’s Word says it, let’s not shy away from it. Rather preach it boldly and lovingly to a lost and dying world.

    Blessings!

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  36. tiny thoughts

    I love your ministries brother and the great work you do for the kingdom but I'm concerned that this approach may lead to false converts who renounce their faith when they read about hell in their Bibles. The Bible does tie hell to very strong imagery for a purpose. Yes I agree there is extra-Biblical imagery that is not helpful: red devil with pitchfork, but I think that there is risk of greater damage from avoiding the word "hell" than risking using the word hell and conjuring up non-Biblical imagery of hell which can be dismantled quite easily.

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  37. Otis Wong

    me when I hit my toe: final judgement!!!!

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  38. Fanny Fanny

    As an atheist, where will I end up, according to your beliefs, once I have had my 'Final Judgment'? I think I know the answer…

    …and how telling it is, that you feel you have to hide the reality of these nasty beliefs, as it is bad for the public image.

    Best of luck, hopefully you will have the courage to learn phrases like 'i don't know', 'I was wrong' and 'I used to believe it for reasons that did not have sufficient evidence to warrant that belief'

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply
  39. Lyrix97

    This makes me think of the message Orwell focuses on in 1984 where words are either without meaning or with 2 contradicting meanings which is used to confuse people and to make them complicent in an abusive government. He focused on telling us that attacking our language and creating confusion in language create intellectual degradation in the community. We should refocus our words on their original true meaning

    July 30, 2021 at 2:02 am Reply

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