A Conversation About Racism Between Black and White Christians

A Conversation About Racism Between Black and White Christians

A Conversation About Racism Between Black and White Christians

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Detective J. Warner Wallace hosts a former gang member, now Christian apologist, Vada Hedgeman to discuss racism. What experiences with cops did Vada have growing up? What is systematic racism? Are there more prominent causes than racism for inequalities between blacks and whites? Does grouping people by race or ethnicity actually feed racism? Where do we go from here? This is just the start of a long but important conversation.

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42 thoughts on “A Conversation About Racism Between Black and White Christians

  1. charles wright

    Great judgement is coming on all white people for slavery and the white church for there participation in leading black people into slavery (revelation13:10) christianity is white supremacy

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  2. Stubadub

    Just found this show after listening to it on CastBox. It's so wonderful- I was so happy listening to it. It breaks my heart every day to see my brothers and sisters in Christ rationalizing their indifference. Hiding behind their disagreement with the BLM organization, blaming the blacks, pointing the finger at the rioters as that wrong somehow means we shouldn't do anything to help them. All of this is done almost exclusively by Christians, and the lack of both self-awareness and Christ in it just break my heart. To hear an influential Christian speaker have an honest conversation about this issue, tackling up-front the various ways in which we as a church have failed our fellow image-bearers of God, it's sad that it's such a rare thing, but I was leaping for joy. This conversation needs to be heard by all believers in America, because we are the problem, so only we can be the solution.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  3. Larry Tyler

    We have both white People and Black people at our church! Yes I'm a racist ! I love to race down the street in my corvette! Ha Ha Ha ! Get it ? Racist racing down the street! I'm so funny I forgot to laugh!

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  4. James Rey

    a lot of people haven’t experienced what we experience.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  5. D A

    Who is the “white” community?? This is the fatal flaw by those possessed by identity politics. There is no “white” community. There are incredibly diverse “white” individuals. There is no “white” community. America has had millions of “white” individuals support civil rights, some died fighting for these rights. However, this “black” individual needs to use these labels to justify “systemic” racism, etc. Using this “identity” language to separate the individual from there unique nature, a gift given to them by God, is not Christian. It’s the opposite of the message delivered to us by Christ. It is language deployed as a weapon to gain power. Why? Because acknowledging the complex nature of individuals and grappling with the sin found in every individual, not “group” is a far more difficult problem to solve and requires the individual trying to explore this to adopt enormous responsibility and humility. It’s far easier to use “identity politics “ and scapegoat individuals according to the chosen group label. It’s ultimately a regressing back to tribalism and inevitably results in violence and racism.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  6. Evenrude Ranger

    This podcast was sickening. Even prominent people in the church are blinded by Critical Theory. Pray for these men.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  7. 1980Triumph

    Frank is having a conversation with consideration that I see many churches silent on which on exposes their hearts. Also the comment section is really sad, too many do not want to confront the notion that systemic racism exists and would deny instead of dealing with it. I appreciate Frank for this conversation and he is truly showing what the spirit of God is about, he is trying to confront the issue honestly and deal with it from the Christian perspective. May God Bless Him…he gets it!!!

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  8. Brandon Mcfadden

    Culture and race are related but two separate different things.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  9. Brandon Mcfadden

    Appears to be anti-Christian? Appears to be political? They are purely political and Marxist go to their website you’ll see it plain and clear, not the appearance.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  10. Benita Almond

    A question I have for DR Turek – I watched a video of Dr Turek when he was in South Africa – A young South African black girl left a comment and Dr Turek responded – I left a comment and Dr Turek did not respond (I too am South African) – is that not racist? Are we not all equal in the eyes of God?

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  11. Midas Tidas

    I don’t speak in slogans. The slogan “black lives matter.”, Is just that; a slogan. I will not give it any credence. Nor should anyone, for that matter. All it does, is divide and props up the Marxist official “BLM” organization.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  12. Sir P. Zohan I

    You have to have the right perspective man. If a cop kills someone of any colour, you have to have the story of why that person got killed before you can be angry, or understanding.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  13. Master Chief

    It’s so sad to see comments of people refusing to empathize with the experiences of Blacks.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  14. Bubba

    im pretty sure when someone dies they go to sleep, until the day Jesus comes and gets his bride [us]

    atleast thats what a bunch of people say on the tubes😂

    and im pretty sure there are some scriptures backing that up

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  15. Justin Jordan

    As a black man I am disappointed that Vada holds to the systemic racism narrative may God open his eyes to the truth.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  16. الجراح - AL-jarah

    ﴿وَقالَ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لَن نُؤمِنَ بِهذَا القُرآنِ وَلا بِالَّذي بَينَ يَدَيهِ وَلَو تَرى إِذِ الظّالِمونَ مَوقوفونَ عِندَ رَبِّهِم يَرجِعُ بَعضُهُم إِلى بَعضٍ القَولَ يَقولُ الَّذينَ استُضعِفوا لِلَّذينَ استَكبَروا لَولا أَنتُم لَكُنّا مُؤمِنينَ﴾ [سبأ: ٣١]
    And those who disbelieve say, "We will never believe in this Qur’ān nor in that before it." But if you could see when the wrongdoers are made to stand before their Lord, refuting each others' words… Those who were oppressed will say to those who were arrogant, "If not for you, we would have been believers."
    – Saheeh International

    ﴿قالَ الَّذينَ استَكبَروا لِلَّذينَ استُضعِفوا أَنَحنُ صَدَدناكُم عَنِ الهُدى بَعدَ إِذ جاءَكُم بَل كُنتُم مُجرِمينَ﴾ [سبأ: ٣٢]
    Those who were arrogant will say to those who were oppressed, "Did we avert you from guidance after it had come to you? Rather, you were criminals."
    – Saheeh International

    ﴿وَقالَ الَّذينَ استُضعِفوا لِلَّذينَ استَكبَروا بَل مَكرُ اللَّيلِ وَالنَّهارِ إِذ تَأمُرونَنا أَن نَكفُرَ بِاللَّهِ وَنَجعَلَ لَهُ أَندادًا وَأَسَرُّوا النَّدامَةَ لَمّا رَأَوُا العَذابَ وَجَعَلنَا الأَغلالَ في أَعناقِ الَّذينَ كَفَروا هَل يُجزَونَ إِلّا ما كانوا يَعمَلونَ﴾ [سبأ: ٣٣]
    Those who were oppressed will say to those who were arrogant, "Rather, [it was your] conspiracy of night and day when you were ordering us to disbelieve in Allāh and attribute to Him equals." But they will [all] confide regret when they see the punishment; and We will put shackles on the necks of those who disbelieved. Will they be recompensed except for what they used to do?
    – Saheeh International

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  17. Football Philosopher

    Equality is a misnomer in this area… I don’t need an equal start in order to not commit crime. I’m a black man from a poor family. Disadvantages aren’t excuses for poor behaviors and values. Poor people all over the world don’t commit crime and devalue marriage etc. if John starts ten yards in front of me, and has better shoes he should win the race, that doesn’t mean I don’t start running or that I don’t finish without harming myself or others. We don’t need equality to build and grow.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  18. Anonymous Devote

    This fallen world is full of sinful human beings who commit evil acts on all levels. In these cases, murder is murder, there’s no denying that murder is an evil act that God clearly doesn’t condone, but when we as humans take it upon ourselves to assert WHY someone committed an evil act is actually taking it one step further and judging someone’s heart and intentions, which is prejudgment or “prejudice”, and is obviously unfair and something only God can do. Though something may merely appear to be the case, there’s always a possibility that it might not be, which is why Jesus says, “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement”-John7:24. And though we may sometimes jump to conclusions and think someone did something for a certain reason, unless it has been made apparent, we shouldn’t be so quick to speculate what’s in a persons heart because we’re incapable, leave it to God… “Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD weighs the heart”-Proverbs21:2, “For the Lord searches all hearts and understands every intent of thoughts”-1Chronicles28:9, “He knows the secrets of the heart”-Psalm44:21. But we can rest assured knowing that those who commit evil acts within their heart, that we as humans can’t perceive, will be brought to justice on the day of judgement as He says, “I AM HE who searches the minds and hearts and will give to each one of you according to your deeds”-Revelation2:23. There are just certain things that we as humans aren’t capable of judging, in which case we need to put it in God’s hands 🙌🏻 “Never take your own revenge, leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.”-Romans12:19. I only hope and pray for those who are hurt and upset about any evil acts that have been done, that you all will find it in your heart to forgive, knowing God will bring justice in the end because “if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses”-Matthew6:15. May God bless you all in every area that’s needed, in Jesus name 🙏🏼

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  19. Astrogirl-H K

    Sorry to hear re Frank Turek's father, God give peace, comfort to the family.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  20. ReverendRV

    The two of you agree Religiously, so the difference for some people has to be something else; IE Politically. They say to not mix Religion and Politics, so when religious people are Prejudiced, there must be a Category Mistake when they are Christian and Prejudiced…

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  21. Genuine_JC

    Great conversation.

    Completely distracting audio riffs at random times.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  22. Dan

    BLM is funded by George Soros. That's why I don't support them.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  23. Alyosha

    Long time listener, but this is the worst podcast so far. Get someone like Brandon Tatum on to get a better perspective. Falsehoods like "systemic racism" shouldn't be spread further, especially not by this great channel.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  24. Chindi Chimbelu

    My sincere condolences for Frank and his family

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  25. Marcos Otero

    Good conversation, I cant say I agree with Vada too much but I like that he focuses in Christ. Racism is sin, period. We cannot remove sin but by preaching Christ and Him crucified and the person yielding to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, repenting and believing in Christ alone by faith alone. Therefore, let's stop wasting our time trying to take care of something that belongs to the Holy Spirit. Whether Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, etc. We are to resist the devil and flee from him.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  26. sardinah70

    Thomas Sowell makes factual statements on the Blacks in America that is specific to this topic please YouTube this incredibly intelligent gentleman.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  27. Rhythm Restore

    There needs to be a mini series on this topic, because there is so much material to cover. There is a big elephant in the room – racism in the Body of Christ and it’s historical origins as well as consequences. Too many of those in positions of leadership and influence among us down the years were either silent or worse were active, vocal and willing participants in slavery as well as systemic racism. This is not just a United States problem but a global problem for the Body of Christ. We cannot effectively speak on this issue with any integrity while our own house is in such disorder. We are reaping what we have sown…

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  28. Millennium Now

    The Kingdom of Christ transcends race/ethnicity which is why the apostle Paul said “there is no Jew or Greek, etc., etc.,” for those who are in Christ. This world is not our friend which is why the early Christians counted it all joy to be martyred for Christ – they were not martyred for trying to change their respective governments with ‘political/social reform.’ This is the difference of world views between Christ’s Kingdom vs. the world’s.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  29. a. m.

    Media doesn't show other shootings or deaths by police as much as the black deaths. The media truly have this agenda especially right now because they want to tear down Trumps election and/Or the facts the media likes to stir up division there is also the demonic forces behind the scenes. It can be all of this. This world is not our home nor are secular and some worldly activities are not healthy and are gloried to remove God from this world and break up what God has created.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  30. orhema oluga

    May GOD help Frank and his family through this time to realize His purpose and Glory to be revealed in all of this, may his father's soul rest in peace with GOD the father.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  31. Dallas Kinard

    Waiting to have the whole story before passing judgement isn't apathy, it's critical.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  32. Merlinshabbit

    Sorry Frank . And sorry my first thumbs down .

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  33. In Christ Alone

    Praying for Frank and his family. I really thought this discussion was helpful. I learned a few things and the biggest take away was that we should care for one another. If only our local polititions would have these same kind of discussions. 🙂

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  34. networkgeeek

    Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t understand the systemic racism issue and where black people are being systematically discriminated against. Of course, police aren’t perfect, our laws aren’t perfect. We are all sinful and live in a fallen world. As Christians we should do all we can to fight against injustices. By the way, I volunteer with organizations that serve minorities. I would encourage others (who don’t already do so) to show with action which lives matter, and not just say it.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  35. McCall G.

    Ha! I’m not a white Christian, I’m just a Christian, I am almost 100% that Jesus doesn’t care what color my skin is
    Let there be no qualifiers between believers

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  36. Lisa Love Ministries

    Yoke up with Christ.
    Matthew 11:29 🤜🤛

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  37. Jeff Phelps

    Most black abolitionist were Christian , Biblical teaching taught them they were equal with thier masters

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  38. Some Random

    I'm so glad we did away with the Bible's teachings and no longer keep slaves.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  39. P. T.

    Would have been great for the guest to share a little bit more of what he thinks might be helpful for the audience to hear. We don’t always recognize how much we don’t know about certain subjects. Consequently, we may not be ready to ask all the best questions. Some good questions were posed thankfully; but, this was a great opportunity to listen more. Questions steer conversations. Good talk but would have been nice to just hear more of what was on the heart and mind of the guest. Thanks again.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  40. P. T.

    We pray the comforting work of the Holy Spirit be experienced deeply by Frank’s family at this time.

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  41. Capone 3:16

    Not calling him a liar, but I find it difficult to believe that a black juvenile walking home from a store was stopped by a white cop with his gun drawn and pointed at him for no reason. Every time I hear a black person say this, they never tell the rest of the story, for example, what time of night was it, did a crime just happen and the cops were actively looking for a fleeing suspect, what did the cop say to you, where was this, what’s the cops name, what did you say to the cop, you said you already had a negative view on police prior to this incident therefore I wanna know what your demeanor was when the cop first approached you, did you immediately say “why you stopping me, is it because I’m black”. So here we have a black Christian claiming a white cop stopped him and pointing a gun at him simply because he’s black and never does this guy provide context so if any of you listening to this guy and your assuming he’s telling the absolute truth, I ask you to think about it. I encourage everyone to check the facts, check the official statistics before believing people like this guy! I pray he’ll continue to grow in his life and stop blaming whites for causing blacks problems and he’ll see that society has proven that blacks have more “privilege” in the fact that there are organizations “ACLU, Black Caucus, BET, Affirmative Action laws” and so on and so forth. Blacks can say whatever they want about whites but whites are racist if they say anything about blacks. Blows my mind!

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply
  42. quenoun

    Prayers out to the Turek family. This is a much need discussion within the Church. The problem of racism specifically in the US is a sin issue. While the only remedy for this is Christ, Christian's shouldn not sit idle and tolerate injustice to occur to our fellow citizens, family, or enemies. When we hide our light hipocracy festers! The future is built upon the foundation of the past. If your foundation is unrighteous then expect the future to be unrighteous too!

    July 7, 2021 at 8:27 am Reply

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