Animals Also Feel Pain and Suffer | Challenge Response

Animals Also Feel Pain and Suffer | Challenge Response

Animals Also Feel Pain and Suffer | Challenge Response

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Alan Shlemon of Stand to Reason responds to this week’s challenge: “Animals feel pain and suffer.”

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8 thoughts on “Animals Also Feel Pain and Suffer | Challenge Response

  1. PaulWallification

    Meow!!!!!

    November 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm Reply
  2. 21st Centurion

    1st day of human existence:
    "Hmmm… I'm gonna kill, skin, cook and eat that cow over there"

    Something-billionth day of human existence:
    "Oh my gawd you guys animals have feelings too we shouldn't eat them just because they aren't humans that's discrimininmation!

    November 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm Reply
  3. trollforlife

    This is a really terrible response.

    1. The idea that 'God is necessary for morality' is something that so many apologists claim, but none have ever produced a half-decent argument for. In fact, there are dozens of sophisticated versions of moral realism in the philosophical literature that do not presuppose theism; popular apologists have either willfully ignored these or are blissfully ignorant of them.

    2. But the meta-ethical issue is also irrelevant when you're doing first order ethics, once you've granted moral realism (which you've already granted). So you think that one is obligated to be good stewards to animals? Then you cannot possibly justify the meat industry as it's currently practiced. It doesn't take much research to find how miserable the lives are of factory farm animals. You probably know this, because why else would you go for the meta-ethical red herring?

    November 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm Reply
  4. aleph naught

    "If they don't believe in God, what's their grounding for animal rights?" Oh I don't know, why don't you pick up a metaethics book and educate yourself? If you think God is necessary for the ontological foundations of morality, that's something you'll have to defend (and you will fail).

    November 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm Reply
  5. aleph naught

    What is the 'image of God'? Clearly it's a metaphor, but a metaphor for what exactly?

    November 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm Reply
  6. googIesux

    i think the youtube way is to watch 20 seconds of a video, get distracted by something shiny, hear a little bit of the middle and skip to the end. then take the nearest emotion and impression you got from various things in and about the video: words completely devoid of context, what the creator was wearing, punctuation in the title…and throw that away and comment on something else entirely that you happen to care about.

    November 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm Reply
  7. linuxisbetter0

    This is a perfect example on how not to engage with a challenge.

    Based on assumptions, he simply turned this into a question on whether atheism has grounds for ethics–completely irrelevant.

    He says Christians believe that they have to be "good" stewards of the earth and not "abuse" animals. It's unfortunate he didn't expand on what this means. Because if he did:
    You can kill them even though you don't have to, eat them even though you don't have to, wear them even though you don't have to.

    November 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm Reply
  8. joecoolmccall

    Why would veganism necessitate atheism? I thought that was a bizarre jump in thinking.

    November 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm Reply

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