Can We Use Logic To Talk About God?

Can We Use Logic To Talk About God?

Can We Use Logic To Talk About God?

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Bob presents what seems to be an insurmountable issue of epistemology. Ultimately can we really use logic to talk about God? Frank explains. Bob responds.

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50 thoughts on “Can We Use Logic To Talk About God?

  1. lil chris tuten

    "I'm a secular Christian agnostic."

    No you aren't.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  2. RadicalOne1912

    I also grew up in the church, and I too was very troubled for a good 5 or so years about this subject. I am a quite confident Christian now, so I escaped that period of hopelessness.
    Many of you have probably heard the (silly) assertion that logic simply leads to atheism. I disagree, I think logic leads to agnosticism, neither atheism nor, dare I say, Christianity. However, that leaves you in the position that this kind fellow found himself in at the end of this video. You must make a conclusion, because not picking either one has dire consequences for all of humanity(though, of course us Christians argue the consequences of choosing atheism are yet more dangerous)
    This world needs action, and sitting there saying, "I don't know" is the opposite of that. Now I'm not saying agnostics are completely impotent due to their worldview, but I am saying that their pursuit of living can be easily washed away.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  3. Jeremy Johnson

    The end saddens me. We laugh because what he says contradicted himself, and it was a good point. He doesn’t trust what he says and he means that. I mean Bob is right, in a worldview where you don’t start with God it’s left to our own epistemologies or you could say our own presuppositions to dictate what is true and what isn’t. The problem is when we don’t start with God, truth, our worldview, and our beliefs are merely subjective. we have no justification to think that what we or anyone else believes is right, we have no justification to think what we do is in any way valuable because we could be wrong about everything we claim to know. OR we could easily just be brains in a vat. If God doesn’t exists our life is meaningless with no reason to believe what we think. But we don’t live this way. We live as if we believe things are meaningful, and that there is truth and reason. I can justify this by asserting that God exists. That is my basis, as a Christian, to know certainly that I’m not a brain in a vat, and that I can know things for certain. So the argument is the impossibility of the contrary. Without starting with God you cannot justify even knowledge itself. And you have no reason as an atheist to argue for your worldview because you could be wrong about everything you claim to know, your truth is merely brain gases and nothing outside of that, your truth is subjective,I could keep going. Without God you’re reduced to an absurd view, but people choose absurdity because they love their sin

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  4. MKT

    Easy solution: Compare world views on their coherence/grounding of presuppositions instead of comparing evidential claims as this fella points out. Look into the transcendental argument for God(TAG)

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  5. Kelvin G.

    This fake doctor has super sneaky tactics I can see right thru. You dont need a fuckin god to tell anyone what is right and what is wrong. Stop it already you sound like a 4 yr old, 4 eyed dweeb

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  6. Chase Yeomans

    Did he just admit that he is happily clueless (especially based on his assumption that human logic ultimately answers nothing)?

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  7. Dutch Resistance

    This guy “knows” all knowledge is going to come from his own mind. He is absolutely certain that he is absolutely unable to be certain about anything.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  8. richard hayes

    I also believe that read the Bible often. Also, pray. Pray if you are not getting an answer. Pray and pray to know God. Some how, you actually do and then, when God speaks, it is a command to do something or say something about a sin. I had that. Not what you want God to talk to you about your sin. Or, God looks at the people who are not that good looking and have bad teeth and not that smart. Even women. Maybe, Peter was a homely man and missing teeth and short and may have a hot head. Jesus sees the humble.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  9. Don Augustine

    The problem with believing in God is that it’s a relationship not a theory. Yes it’s based off faith (biblical definition) , but even this faith is from a relationship granted by God.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  10. MKT

    All he needs to do is compare the coherence of each world view, and whether or not the presuppositions are justified and he will get his final answer

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  11. Elizabeth Shaw

    The proof for God and His existence is glaringly obvious through science!

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  12. Barry Albonetti

    the older guy seems a little like me and just likes to argue lol

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  13. Endel Castillo

    6:19 is the best part. LOL!

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  14. Es Gaming

    the same argument serpant presented
    Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  15. Es Gaming

    biggest problem non theistic arguemtns
    we cannot be sure
    huh non sensical arguement
    can you be sure that you cannot be sure

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  16. Tim Bonstell

    Catholicism is Not Christianity!! Neither is Mormonism or Jehovah's witnesses!!

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  17. Jeff Bogue

    What happened was old Bob started thinking that he was as smart or even smarter than Frank and that other guy who was their a week before at the end he realized that Frank totally schooled him

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  18. James Saucedo

    Thats a wise man there, lol I applauded with him

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  19. Man in the Park

    If you were once Catholic and now agnostic, then you are not and were not ever Christian.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  20. Dalton Haverland

    All religions boast absolute truth, and atheism is a religion. There's my truth, there's your truth, and somewhere out there is the truth. It's on you to discern where your faith lies because no one but God has absolute knowledge.

    I would point to absolute objective truths that we can concede such as the gospel truth. Science will never detract from the human condition.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  21. Chris Cravens

    Bob showing the fallacy of the evidential argument for God's existence. Unless you start with God, not the laws of logic or evidence, you are lost in an epistemological morass of which Bob speaks.

    Turek's argument did absolutely nothing to turn Bob to the God who is there or to salvatìon thru His Son.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  22. NG 135

    The ending was brilliant 😄

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  23. Jake Anaya

    Hahaha that was awesome!!!! This was my favorite short clip on this channel by far!! Haha God bless Bob and bravo brother Frank!! Haha👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 this was a great interaction and a wonderful experience to watch.. 🙏🏻thank you Lord for that! That was joyful 😁 God bless you Dr./brother Frank Turek!

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  24. CR Smith

    Definitely not… there are so many contradictions and idiocies in his messages, that is if he exists. I strongly believe that he doesn’t.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  25. Bill Diaz

    I admire Frank and Bob for what they believe.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  26. Mystwolfe

    Then you are not a Christian. Going to a Catholic school doesn’t make you a Christian. Being a Christian means you believe that Jesus is one of the three parts of God period.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  27. River Todd

    Drop some LSD all will be revealed… ❤️

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  28. Baltsazaar Ofir

    In the end he doesnt even believe in his own statement… Bravo…

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  29. Curtis Stapleton

    The mic guy …whoa

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  30. Walter Daems

    Sure, so tell me, if god exist, then why all the effort to prove his existence?

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  31. Johnny B. Naughty

    So far he is the most intelligent person who has ever come up. I haven’t seen them all but dang.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  32. constantdoodle

    I love Frank. His jokes are dad jokes but he’s a cool dude

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  33. Barny The Preacher

    Don't trust the media Go to Barny the Preacher on YouTube and watch The Days of Noah. ><>

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  34. 1GodOnlyOne

    Without God, there could be no logic.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  35. Michael Z

    His catholic teaching is the problem

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  36. Kern Jeremiah

    You can't be born a Christian but I respect you.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  37. Timothy Parker

    Born into Christianity doesn’t make you Christian.
    Christian = Christ follower. By grace through faith which is a gift from God.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  38. Red Faux

    I'm always baffled when people say "I cannot understand every facet of everything therefore God cannot exist in my mind."
    I've never understood some things about my very best friends after decades but that doesn't mean I don't know them.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  39. Professor

    At least Bob was respectful.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  40. tell me

    What I have notice so far "the one thing in common" among the unbelievers is that they are using the "slavery argument" like somehow to prove that God does not exist. So the logic goes like this, if slavery then no God or if God then no slavery so it follows by their assumption of no God therefore, no God but there is slavery so the result is "a self defeating argument." You see the issue here is not even about God's existence but rather i think its a challenge for mere mortals to fix there so called rational thinking. The rational animal is trying pull some tricks to his owner, the tricks his owner taught him.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  41. Meta Space Crowned By Time

    You have completely missed the point. God Is truth.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  42. [ CMV ] America

    If you believe that any book is the word of an almighty; I can’t help you.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  43. sky eric

    “He who hath ears to hear, let him hear”

    This was said by Jesus a few times.. I believe simply because… the message of Christ, the message of forgiveness, humility, grace, faith, patience, understanding, charity, honesty, truth, lovelyness, righteousness, purity, and what is hopeful and good (think on these things phil 4:8)

    I believe that these things were best represented, in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the testimony, that has been given to us, past down from generation to generation. I believe that if we aren’t looking toward the wisdom, and knowledge of the Bible, for instruction and correction. Than we stray away from these things that I’ve listed…

    If we can’t come to a understandment, a realization that these things are true, that these things are the only things worth clinging to, and aspiring for. Than we can come to no other “logical” reasoning for life…

    I challenge someone to propose a better book than the Bible that represents these things better than the Bible (yes I’ve read Quran, not even close)

    If we aren’t looking for these things, we tend to fall into our own lusts, greeds, envy’s, gluttons, wrath’s, Prides, sloths, destructions, pollutions…

    God has given us the gift of life, to be able to differentiate between theses things… some have ears to hear, some aren’t blind to what is true, and honest…and on the other hand some don’t…

    We’re witnesses of his creation… that understand little about what we “choose” if any

    “A man’s goings are from the Lord, how Than can a man understand his own way” provers 20:24

    I feel like if we are ignoring, the truth of the matter, we are professing ourselves to be wise, we aren’t humbling ourselves to GOD…

    There is no greater hope than heaven, this is what God will give us, through the acknowledgement of what he has done for us, in giving his only Son…

    Agnostic/atheists don’t have this hope, and without this faith, it will lead one to be morally stagnant…

    ignoring what is right within our conscience, is irresponsible.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  44. tell me

    This has already gotten at the point where turek has to concede on the impossibility, what they are discussing is not a matter capable of being verified by generally accepted principles, since epistemology or should i say models of perception can never arrive to the conclusion on biblical truth, although turek's point of view is making affirmations despite perhaps some one might prove it as his own bias. Axioms producing the intended outcome. Im coming from a biblical point of view, knowing God and believing in Him is not a matter of logical argument and epistemological investigation, if you are a christian you should place this on the top most important consideration, the Holy Spirit searches the deep things of God, the things that a natural man (unbeliever) cannot accept. The conclusion, only the Holy Spirit can take us to the full acceptance and understanding of God from a biblical point of view. Goes on to say that we can only do so much and go so far with our logical or epistemological arguments and ultimately fail to recognize that God is not a proposition or a hypothesis to grapple ourselves with but He is a being who is compassionate and loving. Know God as a person to begin with not a proposition to be demonstrated, God bless.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  45. freesf ftrefv

    When man outsmarts himself and becomes a fool!

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  46. freesf ftrefv

    Why do people compare Christianity to Catholics? do they not realize the Catholics don't study the teachings of Christ so therefore are not Christians?
    Christian literally means follower of Christ as written in the original language!

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  47. Jerry Esque

    Logic is very, very simple yet can get extremely complicated to comprehend. It goes so far that the logic no longer makes sense, and you simply have to believe in it. Your proof why you should believe in it, is based on what you are allowed to comprehend. Your life.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  48. juliano khoshaba

    fact : what i feel and see is , earth , sun , trees , rain , wind , moon , sky , clouds , rivers , oceans , mountains .

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  49. Joseph Scala

    Religion begins where science ends.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply
  50. sion sebastian

    Hope he find Jesus after all he had done a lot if research.

    March 10, 2021 at 11:00 am Reply

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