Does It Matter If We Evolved?

Does It Matter If We Evolved?

Does It Matter If We Evolved?

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Greg Koukl answers the question, “Does it matter if humans are evolved?”

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11 thoughts on “Does It Matter If We Evolved?

  1. edgedirect

    Mr Koukl espouses the Stephen Gould theory of evolution in this message (if we rewind the clock and start the evolution process over then we would get a totally different outcome…ie there is no purpose or 'human' result).  However, Gould's theory over the past 20 years is being proven wrong.  

    As Dr. Simon Conway Morris writes "When you examine the tapestry of evolution you see the same patterns emerging over and over again. Gould's idea of rerunning the tape of life is not hypothetical; it's happening all around us. And the result is well known to biologists — evolutionary convergence. When convergence is the rule, you can rerun the tape of life as often as you like and the outcome will be much the same. Convergence means that life is not only predictable at a basic level; it also has a direction. ….. the constraints of evolution and the ubiquity of convergence make the emergence of something like ourselves a near-inevitability."  
    While I agree with Mr Koukl on many other topics, I think he has it wrong in this video.  

    Further research:  http://biologos.org/uploads/projects/louis_white_paper.pdf  (in particular page 11-13 on this topic..I found the quote above in this paper)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Conway_Morris

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  2. Thomistic Disputations

    @k12rising  Regardless of whether Adam and Eve were literal people, someone had to be the first to sin.  (Feel free to ignore this if you read my message.  I just figured out this Google thing.)

    "The Hebrew word used here for tree is the same word used for ordinary trees in all 25 uses in the book of Genesis. So the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was clearly an actual type of tree."

    Lamb is probably used literally in several places in the Bible and I doubt they use a different word when they refer to the lamb of God. Does that mean lamb of God is a literal lamb?

    We don't necessarily determine whether something is literal or not by the typical word usage. We consider the possible meanings in context. In context of what we know about the world, we know it would be ridiculous to believe that Jesus was a literal lamb of God, so we take a non-literal use of the word. We also know trees can't contain properties like life and knowledge. These are things above the material properties of a tree.

    Besides, a YEC model only works in a ridiculous theoretical scheme. Even "creation scientists" admit that there is a significant heating problem with accelerated nuclear decay. They have to appeal to a highly speculative model involving God stretching the fabric of space time at exactly the same time he was accelerating nuclear decay. All for what purpose?

    Wouldn't it be easier to simply reconsider your interpretation of the Bible than to cling to a ridiculously complicated and speculative model that makes no sense? Doesn't it make more sense that the author was merely trying to convey a religious message in a format that would be easily passed on orally?

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  3. Timothy Henderson

    How can someone who thinks so deeply on these things like Greg apparently does completely miss the point that ANY Christian who believes in evolution would necessarily believe that God was involved in that in SOME way and INTENDED life to have meaning? It doesn't make sense to critique "atheistic" evolution to a Christian who believes in "Theistic" evolution. It seems like Francis Collins makes a perfectly suitable explanation for how God used a process to create the universe, and that process we call evolution, or change with respect to time. See goo.gl/VRq6IS

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  4. Warhoop

    Can't reply directly to http://www.youtube.com/user/k12rising because they have disabled replies.  "As it plainly says then its clear the universe was created in six literal days about 6,000 years ago" could you please cite the book, chapter, and verse that states that the earth is about 6000 years old.  Thank you, I have yet as to find where the bible plainly gives the exact age of the earth.

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  5. MrAtoz456

    Greg – Love your stuff, but stop with the herky-jerky camera style – it's annoying. I want to focus on your arguments, not be distracted by the camera movement.

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  6. HumanitysAdvocate

     Evolution, as well as intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, has been thoroughly refuted as being scientifically absurd at all major levels – even in addressing the "time" factor that is always given as the primary evolutionary component. To give any credence to Evolution [Darwinism] is to still believe the world is flat. Since the Bible is the most creditable historical text addressing all creation and has not been proven wrong as of yet gives credence to YHWH being the designer who created and the maintainer who supplies the needed genetic information. Does It Matter If We Evolved? Non-sequitur.

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  7. Teachthecross

    @k12rising There is also no support for the abolition of slavery in the Bible. By your logic, we can't agree with that either. Look up the likes of N.T.Wright, John Walton, Deborah and Loren Haarsma to hear Christian arguments in support of evolution/against the purported tension between the two. With the theology part covered, I'd love to hear how evolution is bad science.

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  8. bondservant4jesus

    Good one. Also, like your background set up with the tools and stuff. It all goes back to Genesis.

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  9. Teachthecross

    As per usual, Koukl makes several astounding oversights. First of all, none of these supposedly horrific ramifications should scare us out of the view if we have good reasons to believe evolution did occur, which we do. Second, it is not the case that simply because moral values might not be transcendent that those arrived at from an evolutionary perspective wouldn't be compelling. Third, many Christians hold to the view, and defend it eloquently, that God may have used evolution to make us.

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  10. dotails

    Even if macro evolution were possible it would be so statistically improbable that God had to spin the first particles in such a way with us in mind.

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply
  11. dave4shmups

    If God directed evolution, then we do have meaning, and the process had meaning. IMO, secular evolution is the only major problem.

    January 21, 2022 at 1:36 am Reply

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