How Can There Be Real Love in Heaven Without the Possibility of Sin?

How Can There Be Real Love in Heaven Without the Possibility of Sin?

How Can There Be Real Love in Heaven Without the Possibility of Sin?

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Greg and Amy answer a listener’s question: “If the possibility of evil is necessary for real love, then how will there be real love in Heaven?

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4 thoughts on “How Can There Be Real Love in Heaven Without the Possibility of Sin?

  1. peter u

    wife and i thought about this. this is what we came up with:

    RE How can there be real love in heaven if there is no possibility of sin or evil?

    “Free will makes evil possible”

    “Evil is a corruption of the good things that God made. Evil then is an ontological parasite. It can exist only in relationship to good. This means there is no such thing as pure evil, just as we know that there is no such thing as a totally moth-eaten garment. It does not exist. The same is true for rust on your car. Your car cannot be totally rust-eaten, otherwise it would not exist. Likewise, evil cannot exist without reference to good. To put it in theological terms, evil is like sin, which means to miss the mark, to fall short of the standard, to not measure up, or to be less than what we should be (Romans 3:23). Since evil can be defined as a privation (but not necessarily a lack) of something, it therefore does not follow that God causes evil (James 1:13-17).’ (Conversational Evangelism. David Geisler)

    Could you say that Evil = Sin?

    In a similar way could we not say that sin is a corruption of the good things that God made. Sin then is an ontological parasite. It can exist only in relationship to good. This means there is no such thing as pure Sin, just as we know that there is no such thing as a totally moth-eaten garment. It does not exist. The same is true for rust on your car. Your car cannot be totally rust-eaten, otherwise it would not exist. Likewise, sin cannot exist without reference to good. Sin can be defined as a privation (but not necessarily a lack) of something?

    If so then could we not ask

    How can there be real rustless (a perfect) car in a perfect environment if there is no possibility of rust? The question is meaningless because there can be a perfect car.

    It would be like placing a car (human being) in a perfect environment (heaven) where there is no possibility of rust (sin) and complaining that the car should have a choice or the possibility to get rusted. If you want the choice or the possibility to get rust then live outside in the world, the imperfect environment. Then you would have free will to drive car from perfect environment to imperfect environment….

    Everyone had a choice. Adam and eve had no choice to be born in garden but had choice and opportunity to leave perfect place (garden) and they did (by choosing to eat from the tree). They had choice to either leave perfection or stay. We also have choice to go to heaven (eternal perfect environment) or not. If we choose to go to perfect eternal heaven then when we go there, we have no more choice to not be there. We have a choice to enter eternal perfection (heaven) or stay where we are now (imperfect world) and eventually enter eternal imperfection (hell). Same with Marriage. You choose who to marry at wedding and then you can not choose differently any more (at least that’s how Jesus designed marriage to be). The choice we made is locked in.

    Also, why would you want the choice to have the bad thing (e.g., cancer) that you don't want to choose anyway? or why would you want the choice to not have a good thing (e.g., a million dollars)? If a parent removes a harmful toxic thing from their child, it is considered a good thing that the parent did – the parent removing the free will or choice from child. You would not ask “How can the child express real love to their parent if there is no possibility for that child to choose to have the harmful thing because the parent took that choice away and that child can no longer disobey (sin)?”

    And “How can there be real love in heaven if there is no possibility of sin or evil?”

    would it be the same as “forcing” someone to take a new car or million dollars (both being good things), where they don't have a choice, and they complaining and refusing it because they don't like the idea of not having a choice in the matter, they cannot not accept it? Why would someone refuse a good thing just because they want to have the free will to reject that good thing?

    June 23, 2022 at 6:00 pm Reply
  2. Ryuu Bryan

    First off FREE WILL IS A GIFT FROM GOD. and can be taken away if we abuse it

    Second evil was not born from free will . remember EVERYONE AND Everything CAME FROM GOD EVEN EVIL..

    This us backed up by the Bible.. Because God made the garden of Eden .and made the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God made Lucifer .

    And God controls everything.. He is the master of peace and chaos..

    (There is a Bible verse saying God makes peace and creates storms -and chaos)

    We will still have our free will in heaven..

    I think that is all my points for now.

    June 23, 2022 at 6:00 pm Reply
  3. andrhof01

    I would argue firstly is that God draws all men by the preaching of the word and that some choose not heed the word.

    Secondly, that love for God is born out of our faith, which is a choice, since if we believe that Christ died and rose again for our sins then the natural response is gratitude.

    And so long as we have the knowledge of what Christ did for us, which knowledge we received from the indwelling Holy Spirit through our choice to believe, we cannot help but love.

    So after a manner we choose to love by choosing to believe. God indeed deserves to be loved by freewill agents whom he didn’t have to manipulate into loving him, but rather loved him because they believed in what he did for them.

    June 23, 2022 at 6:00 pm Reply
  4. dotails

    I think technically you can love someone in a sense without the possibility of sin but not without the possibility of rejection which could be considered sin.

    June 23, 2022 at 6:00 pm Reply

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