How Do We Use Fine Tuning Data from Atheists to Make a Case for God?

How Do We Use Fine Tuning Data from Atheists to Make a Case for God?

How Do We Use Fine Tuning Data from Atheists to Make a Case for God?

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Read: Rapid Response – “God Is Not Needed to Explain the Fine-Tuning of the Universe”

Rapid Response: “God Is Not Needed to Explain the Fine-Tuning of the Universe”

Why do atheists look at the evidence for the fine-tuning of the universe yet come to a completely different conclusion from the data? How can two different groups (believers and non-believers) examine the same evidence yet come to a different conclusion? This clip was excerpted from one of J. Warner’s Q and A sessions (following a conference presentation).

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13 thoughts on “How Do We Use Fine Tuning Data from Atheists to Make a Case for God?

  1. Daggerman105 -

    You cannot use fine-tuning as an argument for god, because we exist. If the universe was different, we wouldn’t exist. Or maybe we would, in a different way. We don’t know. But we were shaped by the universe, the universe wasn’t shaped for us.

    So no, this isn’t evidence.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  2. Panikos Of Grays

    "How Do We Use Fine Tuning Data from Atheists to Make a Case for God?" you can't. Fine tuning arguments assume there was a plan that succeeded. If you hit a golf ball and it lands on a tuft of grass you don't claim it was a miracle that it hit that tuft and no other. You know very well that it had to land somewhere.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  3. rubiks6

    I really appreciate the comparison between "fact" and "inference." I have added that to my toolbox.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  4. iljuro

    a) Most scientists accept the possibility of a creator or designer. It's one of the major hypotheses.
    b) To infer a designer there must be some evidence of a designer other than arguments from incredulity.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  5. Bless You

    GENETIC ENTROPY: essentially disproves macro evolution. We really need little else

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  6. Lyndell

    I think this from Romans 1 explains it pretty well:

    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  7. J Gaskin

    « We’re not making up Christian facts. » I love that line.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  8. Grace

    Great video 👏👍 brother! 😘🥰🤗 God bless you always!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻💙🌹😊

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  9. Game2Game

    I love you good sir God bless

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  10. L P

    Atheism is nothing but another word to describe how one moves the goal post”. They pretend to use classical rules of logic and science, but they will move those goalposts however and whenever they need to on the fly.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  11. Victoria St. Amand

    As a geneticist, I see evolution as the best explanation for our observations, beyond a reasonable doubt as you say. What's wrong with the thought that God created Evolution? I don't think that science has to be seen as contrary to the Bible. They don't have to be wrestling against each other. If you believe in God then you can believe that God created the natural world we observe through science. God's way are higher and he doesn't give us all the details in the Bible.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  12. Stephen Zhao

    The theistic evolution is strengthened by Hebrew Torah: ויאמר אלהים תדשא הארץ דשא עשב Let the earth (cause) bring forth grass, the herb (sprout), which is consistent with God's Character who love to co work with His creatures, paraphrased in evolutionary biology, the earth caused plant appearence (under God's words). If you believe God is infinite it's easy to understand random is real and the free will of every portions belonging to God. Peace and blessings to you all, brothers/sisters in Christ. Amen,

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply
  13. 2fast2block

    Once a person determines that the universe somehow got here naturally, then they surrendered their brain that all that follows happened naturally too.

    March 30, 2021 at 7:27 am Reply

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