How Do You Engage in Conversation with a Christian Anarchist?

How Do You Engage in Conversation with a Christian Anarchist?

How Do You Engage in Conversation with a Christian Anarchist?

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Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason discusses where to begin in conversation with someone who identifies as a Christian anarchist.

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30 thoughts on “How Do You Engage in Conversation with a Christian Anarchist?

  1. Dave Mayton

    The next time you are in church, ask your pastor about the story of King David. He will give you a story that is far divergent from what is actually written.

    1 Samuel 8 is the story of the Israelites begging God for a king (government), just like all the other tribes and nations. God said NO, I am your king. The people rejected this answer and again shouted for a king. God said this was a rejection of him and gave warning of all that would occur with an earthly king. He warned that taxation would be implemented and the best of their crops and fields would be taken. He warned that the king would start wars and would take their sons and daughters to serve himself and his officials. He warned that they would become the king's slaves, and when they cried out for relief he would no longer hear them.

    The people rejected the warnings and still clamored "We want a king over us". So God gave them their king. The king he chose was David, the man with the purest heart in the land. So in time all that God warned would happen did in fact happen. God didn't choose David because he wanted his people to have a king. He chose David to prove that even the purest heart is corrupted when given power and authority.

    Jesus would later affirm that the governments of this world are in fact of Satan, who offered him all of the Kingdoms of this world. Jesus was also murdered by the state.

    If you vote for a human ruler you are rejecting God as your king!

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  2. Caliburn Combat

    Jesus himself followed a anarchist philosophy .

    Also anarchist aren't anti government there anti forced rules
    God asks you to fallow him not force you .

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  3. Jason Malott

    The Bible says we will judge angels in 1 Cor. 6:3. We have been brainwashed to believe we need a government to do it for us. I love apologetics, but this is a good example of someone who didn’t do what Paul said in 2 Tim 2:15. Learn what something is before you criticize it. Many past Christians including the disciples and Jesus were practicing anarchy and would disagree with your evaluation.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  4. Kevin Jackson

    Hey, Christian anarchist here, and I'm rolling from how laughably bad this argument is 🤣🤣. The way I see things, "conservative Christian" is the real oxymoron. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus took the do's and don't's of the Mosaic law and used them to explain the principles behind it, which you could say forms the basis of the Christian moral system. In the following chapters, he intentionally breaks the law while doing his miracles to highlight how while the pharisees understood the content of the law, they didn't understand the intent. This, I would say is the state of conservative Christianity today. Conservative pastors know the Bible very well, but they get hung up on the technical do's and don't's while glossing over the principles laid out by Jesus. Christian anarchists actually take these principles seriously. The way we come to the conclusion that Jesus was an anarchist is his admonishments against using violence. The state must use violence to maintain its power. Without it, there's no way to impose its will on the population. Therefore, since Jesus was against the use of violence to the point he wouldn't defend himself when the Romans came to arrest him and even healed a soldier Peter wounded, the only conclusion we can come to is that Jesus was an anarchist. It has less to do with defying authority because you're rebellious and more of a principles commitment to the idea of letting God handle justice, rather than setting yourself up to have power over your fellow man.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  5. Elijah Culper

    An anarchist is someone who opposes arbitrary authority and enforced hierarchies. We don’t think that cops, politicians, generals, businessmen, landlords, judges, etc have a legitimate claim to the power they exercise. We don’t have a problem with a parent exercising authority over their children or a surgeon exercising authority over the nurses and support staff in the OR. These structures aren’t arbitrary and they are ordered to benefit all people involved. As a Christian Anarchist, I also don’t object to the authority of God over everyone or the authority of a religious leader over a congregation that voluntarily submits to him.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  6. Void ID Æ

    See "The Kingdom of God is Within You" by Tolstoy for a good example. Basic argument is there is no ruler but God, any other is in opposition to God. There are a good number of Christian Anarchists. Best to know them instead of warping their ideas 🤦🏽‍♂️

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  7. clc3111

    Please sincerely tell me where it says Christ told us to answer to government authorities. Or even just to any authority other than God for kicks…

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  8. Scottish Banana Clan

    No king but Christ.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  9. Matt Schutter

    This pastor doesn't understand God's gift of total freedom in Christ. He is still holding on to his flesh and at the end of the video states the truth when he say i don't get it. Read Psalm 2 pastor God the father has NO respect for human government. He didn't want the Jews to have a king. I HAVE NO KING BUT CHRIST AND NEVER WILL!

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  10. Red Pilled Yinzer

    The Kindom of God is Within by Leo Tolstoy (A Christian Anarchist)

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  11. Lachlan Fanning

    If you read the bible honestly, it's pretty damn difficult to say that Christian Anarchism isn't the only valid reading of it.
    I agree that the authority of God would contradict with the opposition to hierarchies. While Christian Anarchism still values the abolition of inter-human hierarchies, they still accept the authority of God (presumably because it is the only justified authority)
    Simply put, I don't think this is going to be a valid response to an actual Christian Anarchist.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  12. genkimachina

    Christian anarchism has nothing to do with rejecting spiritual authority, it brings earthly authority into question. My King is Christ and no other. By his logic it would be just to give up the location of Jews to the Germans or saying Caesar is god. Instead, the early Christians would rather die then making such an insignificant statement. I am curious if he believes the American Revolution was sinful.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  13. Scotty

    Anarcho-Christian is the most accurate cure to the inverted satanic fallen world we live in. We don’t desire to follow anti-Christ Statists. It’s that simple. ONLY moral authority is moral authority with God/Christ. Romans 13 is a misinterpreted pro-statist lie. We do NOT need to follow criminal fake “laws” when Gov’t is going AGAINST God. True Gov’t is merely supposed to be a representation of God on earth. We need no one but God and to help each other morally and voluntarily, to say “no” to criminal authoritarianism. It’s literally that simple. Yes you don’t get it NOW, but praying and fasting will reveal the truth of morally superior ideas. 🙏🏻

    (This has absolutely ZERO to do with crime, or chaos.)

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  14. M Jack

    Yes the government of God. Not man (Caesar) God is King.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  15. Tom Sawyer

    Greg is confusing anarchism with chaos and with using violence to get your way. Who overturned the merchandise tables at the temple? Who called out the Pharisees for governing unfairly? Do the Sons pay the tax? Who said do not call anyone rabbi, for you have one teacher, the Christ? Do not call anyone father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven? Did the Fellowship of Believers have everything in common? Ghandi and Martin Luther King were both unofficial Christian Anarchists, not because they walked around with giant red A's on their leather jackets, but because they understood Christ's teachings as He intended it to be learned, not where the pagans and Romans took it.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  16. CopBlock Hot Springs

    Wow, look at all the thumbs down. I thumbed up.

    1st, yes l, they were called Christians in Antioch… as a derogatory term denoting a terrorist organization. The disciples accepted the name as a kind of middle finger to the ruling class.
    I find Christians that follow Paul funny… well sad actually. I don't know this organization, I am just speaking generally to his apostleship in apostasy.
    As to the Alpha to the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end:
    Then we have:
    Judg 17:6: "In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes."
    Which is what G warned against, right!? Having a king, that is.
    And if I had to sum up the bible or what the 2 testaments are all about, or what G is trying to tell us, very few will contradict.
    The Old Testament = Obey my voice
    The New Testament = Loose every yoke… yes even the old one, (but you can't because it's a snake eating its tail.)

    It is "us" to break every boundary. It is our program of you will.

    I read Anarchy as the state perfected. There is still law, you better believe it. Behind the illusion of government control and calmness there is an old west bursting through. "You're from the government!?… Get a rope!"

    We will all live in out little Taliban towns, forced to worship a particular way or leave. Kinda like now.😏

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  17. I’m Just Here To Grill

    The person who asked the question should have been more specific. You can’t expect someone under 40 to have been exposed to Christian Anarchism as it is mostly commonly understood today.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  18. Carson F

    No. I find it oxymoronic rather that a Christian would have a bigger issue with an individual that supports pure liberty and personal responsibility than they do with government, the largest killer and promoter of sin and evil in all of time

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  19. Ana&Nathan

    It means we obey God, not a self exalted church “pastor” or governments ran by men. We obey God not churches or governments with their man made authority!!! And hierarchy

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  20. King Harry

    This guy is actually saying that the government is like God (but only right now in the US, not in 1930's Germany or current Afghanistan) Peter was speaking to early Christians who were still Jews who wanted to overthrow Rome which would have been dangerous for the small groups of Christians AT THAT TIME. Context means a lot.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  21. Agminate Man

    Participation in discipleship or Christ’s Kingdom is voluntary. Voluntaryism (Anarchy) is the antithesis of statism (government).

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  22. Peter Benjamin

    God never intended for the Jews to have kings, but the Jews insisted to abandon anarchism (Judges 21:25, 1 Samuel 8:7).

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  23. David Marshall

    Just a little while into the video I wondered why this person made this effort without researching his topic in some depth. After watching the rest and reading the comments from a year ago and more, I wonder why he hasn't replied to these comments at least, or even removed his video, if he's a man of integrity and truth. He asks the question near the end, "Where did this come from?" I'm sad he doesn't know yet. It was Jesus, brother. You should spend some time researching him in depth, and also where your own soul fears to go.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  24. Jaco Pieterse

    Please find out what it actually means before you criticise.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  25. Mark Fish

    Again, when Satan offered Christ control of the entire political world He declined by saying, "My Kingdom is not of this world." Therefore this 'Kingdom' that a Christian Anarchist belongs to and the King he pledges allegiance to is not a worldly king or kingdom. As a matter of fact a Christian Anarchist rejects all worldly kings and kingdoms though he may be a sojourner in one. Rather than being an oxymoron "Christian Anarchist" should be seen as a redundant phrase. A Christian Anarchist is simply one that sees no human archy. No Hierarchy but True, Natural, Absolute Hierarchy and that is Christ and no other. If a man holds a gun to your head (police or otherwise) and demands your obedience, he is usurping Christ; let him do his worst, obey him (resist not) and let it be on his head. That is True Anarchy aka, Christian Anarchy. Think deeply about it Mr Koukl before you scoff derisively.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  26. Mark Fish

    When the people of Israel demanded a king God told Samuel that they were rejecting Him (God) by doing so. I understand Mr. Koukl does not get it. I suspect he is not a deep thinker.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  27. Adam Liberte

    Obviously missing the point

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  28. tntruther

    I think if you look back at the Israelites during the Exodus, you will see that there was a time when God said, "You don't need no stink'n king". He said, "I'll be your king and my law will be written on your hearts". But they preferred to have the law written in stone instead and to have a worldly king. Because they were lazy, just like the sheeple of today who pass their responsibility over on to government and their freedom along with it. They do this the same way Christians hand their sin over to Jesus and let him pay a price that was never even owed.
    God told Cain to "master his sin". How to master your sin is explained in the lesson about the tree of right and wrong. Eating the fruit of judgment plants the seed of malice in the heart and that is what sin is.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  29. tntruther

    Adam didn't 'disobey" God. That's slave talk.
    God simply clued Adam in on some fundamental dynamics of nature.
    That didn't mean that Adam "had" to do what God advised him of.

    People who talk about the original sin as having something to do with obedience really don't understand the nature of the lesson. The lesson was not about obedience, it was about how to take control over your own emotions and judgement.

    The name of the tree was, "The knowledge of good and evil".
    What fruit does that produce? Answer: "Judgment or value judgment".
    When we let our judgment get under our skin we call that getting offended.

    Grace is holding an opinion of right and wrong but not letting it get under your skin.
    Eating it means letting your judgment get under your skin.
    Forgiveness is spitting that fruit back out after you have eaten it.
    Mercy is getting offended, staying offended but handing out a suspended sentence.

    So if God advised Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit,
    then why should re reason that God would be eating the fruit?
    And if he's not eating the fruit, then how can he be getting offended?
    And if he's not getting offended, then were is the debt?
    And if there is no debt, then where is the need for payment of debt?
    …or forgiveness or "reconciliation", another Bankster word.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply
  30. tntruther

    Jesus was an anarchist. That's why they called him a king of kings.

    April 3, 2022 at 4:10 pm Reply

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