Posted On 03 Aug 2022
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Can The Existence and Nature of Hell Be Defended? (Downloadable Bible Insert)
Critics claim ancient myths are much like the story of Jesus, citing examples of dying and rising gods in a effort to draw the parallel. Was the story of Jesus copied from these ancient myths? Is Jesus a copycat Savior? More importantly, does Jesus even matter at all? In this Q and A Session from an apologetics conference, J. Warner joins Brett Kunkle from Maven Truth to answer this question.
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Walter Burger
My pastor says that in Hell, you'll be burning, on fire, for all eternity.
Vanessa Chavez
You reminded me that there are different level. Thank you.
Go Or
Great answer, both of you đ
Deborah Jean
I would like to read the article you wrote regarding different levels of torment in hell. I do not know where that is mentioned in the Bible. You did not give any Scripture references to back up what you were claiming and there is no link to the article you wrote.
bill leroy
Wages for sin is death not life in hell
Michael Green
J. Warner, the point you made about the different levels of hell and torment needs to be emphasized and articulated a lot more among Christian intellects.
Juan Rodriguez
Level 6 of torment for eternity is nothing different than level 7, that's why ECT does not make any sense, read Psalm 37.
Juan Rodriguez
Guehena no es un lugar de cuarentena es un lugar de destrucciĂłn, That make sense!!!!
JohnnyOđš
I donât believe that unending torment in hell serves either Gods Love or Justice. The implication is that Gods wrath is never satisfied.
Yet the atonement of Christ subsist in His death and resurrection. Christ is not suffering ECT as our atonement.
Itâs reasonable to conclude that the lost receive the death penalty at the final judgement. This is because we see through out scripture that immortality is only gifted to the saved.
Hell is not a place where the lost spend eternity consciously tormented. Hell is the place where the lost are killed/annihilated (second death).
When all sin and death are eradicated, Gods wrath IS satisfied; His Justice IS satisfied.
And because He was able to save those received His Grace. His Love is satisfied.
J 336
In Christianity evil is real and evil has final justice.
P H
God is Love
Adam died spiritually the day he sinned.
Jesus The Last Adam from Heaven
Said
You Must Be Born Again From Above!
Spiritual birth ~ fit for Heaven.
If an unsaved person dies that is it dead, in the grave.
The judgement is eternal ~ dead.
Not eternal punishment
Who is keeping this hell going?
Maintaining it?
Yet itâs totally kept from the saved they are having Joy while many are in eternal torment?
No it doesnât sound reasonable.
E.D.S.
I add that condamn someone which lives 80 years to an infinite time of awful suffering would be the most sadistic thing anyone can do. No one deserve such treatment. I can admit purgatory, that's fair, but hell ? Fuck off.
gordo 1
Hell fire ?? Wow what a sad concept of GOD , have you heard the story about the Taliban who put a soldier in a wire cage poured petrol all over him and then set him alight , the world was horrified, Do you really think GOD could do the same thing ,
E.D.S.
I believe in christianity, in the meaning of Jesus existed, was God/Son of God, suffers, died and ressucite (don"t know the english word, sorry). I believe in the biblical scientific theory of Dr Hugh Ross, but I can't, and don"t want to believe in hell. Its no-excuse possible. Plus, you can find some people as good as other to know all bible verses, which have their own "proof" in the opposite theory. And, as lot of people do (but few admit it), I prefer believe to theorist which are in agreement with what I believed first.
CCornelius
All of the arguments one sees for the rightness of Hell seem formulated for the ears of nonbelievers: How does one convince nonbelievers that Hell is just and therefore real? Apparently Christians think this is done by sidestepping that which directly confronts the core issue.
Square off with it. The law belongs to God. If God wants everyone in Hell, that is justice. Whatever the Omnipotent Creator and Ruler of the Universe does is right, no matter what. People are lesser than God. Our opinions do not prevail in the face of omnipotence. If someone doesn't think it's fair that Hell exists, then that person is wrong. God is right, always. He is the maker of reality. Therefore what He decrees is right, always. To Accept the subordinance of humanity is to be in accord with reality. To believe that one's opinion supersedes God's in any way is defiance of reality, which is tantamount to calling God a liar. He doesn't tolerate that.
In Eden, the Serpent accused God of lying. Adam and Eve went along with that. Learning of good versus evil was merely a corollary of a previous sin, believing God a liar. Creatures reproduce after their kind. Adam and Eve became the kind of creatures who disbelieve God, and we are of a kind with them, our ancestors. So here we are, living out the legacy of our progenitors. Every one of us is under the same severe temptation encountered by the Prime Couple.
All God asks of us is that we believe Him, which is eminently reasonable because He can perceive all of reality. No man or woman, no institution, no ethic or creed merits unreserved belief. God does. To disbelieve God is jaw-dropping, insane, cosmic-level, impudence. That is what lands people in Hell: believing our own opinions instead of God.
But that too is a conundrum, isn't it? What if one's belief is that God is always right? Is that also an errant human opinion? God knows what a terrible jam we are in, that our logic is insufficient to serve Him properly, as He deserves. He loves us anyway. That is how unfathomably great He is.
To believe God and lay our intrinsic myopia at the foot of His sacrifice on our behalf is salvation.
God doesn't require us to make excuses for His judgement. He requires us to acknowledge that His judgement is justice, in every case. Read the Book of Job.
J Man
Very well said
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Niko Kapanen
It is 100% righteous for God to bring pain and suffering to a sinner not just for the sake of pain and suffering but for the sake of correction, to teach him a lesson, to humble him down and make him reject his sinful behavior. Such an act is truly a good act and justifiable 100%.
God acted this way many times over in the Old Testament, He poured His wrath upon His people and brought them suffering and misery but it was never for the sake of simply bringing them misery, it was always for the sake of humbling them down and teaching them a lesson. Yet if you bring nothing but pain and misery for no other reason but to bring pain and misery, for eternity, that is by definition evil. You see, every and any good thing always, without an exception has a good outcome and a good outcome, always, bringing a good and satisfying emotional experience. No outcome which brings nothing but pain and misery is a good one by the very definition, it is either an utter failure or utter evil.
So the idea of God bringing nothing but pain, suffering and misery for a literal eternity cannot be a good thing by its very definition.
Therefore something is fundamentally wrong with the idea of literally eternal torment.
Christian Mile
God's punishmant is for justice and with reason
Eternal one has no end, as such it has no reasonable result
Even if you could say it is just (which is not) it is by no means merciful or loving
Eternal hell is a lie
And if you want to be able to answer such questions without vain philosophy you can pick either universal salvation or complete destruction of sinners
Both seem to be supported in scripture
Eternal one is not supported at all when you dont translate it wrong or cherry pick verses
With that said, both cant be true
Only one is
Doctor Knows
Hell is not at all reasonable.
No one asked to be created. If God knows that person would choose love then why would God create a person whose eternal destiny is suffering without end and without relief? That is in no way loving.
This is why the early church fathers like Gregory of Nyssa, Origen and Athanasius believed in the doctrine of the apokatastasis.
For those who think people suffer in hell for all eternity I have a question. If you are a parent, would you torment your child for all eternity? Would you stand there and watch your child suffer for all eternity even though you could stop it? Would that be loving?
To be clear, I am not talking in the abstract, I am talking about your specific actual child or children. Would you watch them suffer and writhe in eternal torment and not stop the pain and suffering even though you could? Under what conditions would you torment your child eternally and call that loving them?
Savon James
Oh most definitely not.. not even that it doesnât even makes sense even biblical speaking