Jesus Can’t Be God – Challenge Response

Jesus Can't Be God - Challenge Response

Jesus Can’t Be God – Challenge Response

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Alan Shlemon of Stand to Reason responds to this week’s challenge. For more information, visit str.org.

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  1. Gottergebener

    The Trinity is false.

    The Qu'ran teaches that all previous revelation were faked and edited by the humans.
    That is why ALLAH (swt) says in the Qu'ran that he will prevent this from the Qu'ran.
    And what do you see today? Millions of Muslim memorized the Qu'ran and if all books were destroyed the Qu'ran is the only one which would stay just like it was revealed.

    You should know that Arabic is a very very complex language and it is almost impossible to translate everything right.
    The Quran tells us in Sura 2 Verse 135: (Logically)

    They say: "Become Jews or Christians, so you are guided." Say: "NO!" Rather, Ibrāhīm's confession, a true believer, and he was not one of the idolaters.

    A Muslim belives that all previous revelations were faked and edited by the humans.
    The Qu'ran is the last word of god an it's valid until Yaum Al Qiyama.

    So if you continue to make points about things Jesus (as) should have said.
    This can't be taken as the word of him (as) because we all know the Bible has over 100.000 deviations and even Christian scholars confirm that.

    Edit: Why didn't Jesus teach the Trinity?

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  2. Alexander Williams

    I am not sure if this is a joke or not? The tactic boils down to saying, "your book (the Quran) which I believe to be false, says to trust my book (Bible) just as much as you trust yours."

    The flaw in that thinking is so glaringly obvious but I will point it out for those who are not used to thinking logically. If you are telling someone the Quran is false, how can you depend on its assurance that the Bible is "true"? Even in the best case scenario what you are doing is saying that both books are equally trustworthy. So if you say the Quran is not trustworthy that means (by their equality) the Bible is not trustworthy too.

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  3. ThePowergoats

    Islam, Christianity, Judaism , it's all fiction.

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  4. Kevin McKevitt

    Cool….sophistry lessons!

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  5. VictorCrowne

    Jesus was zero % GOD while walking in the Flesh; he was ONE SPIRIT with God (John 17:21,23) just like any Man that is indwelled by the Holy Spirit (1Cor 6:17).

    "Jesus" was once part of GOD/Elohim/Creators (Gen 1:26, Col 1:15-17), and "Jesus" EMPTIED Himself of His Glory/Godhood and became a MAN (Phil 2:6-7) in order to be the KinsMAN Redeemer of MANkind by obeying God perfectly as a MAN and thus paying in full for the disobedience of the First MAN Adam (1Cor 15:21-22,45,47, Rom 5:12-21). Jesus was zero % GOD at his physical birth; Jesus was simply the anointed Jewish Messiah (Dan 7:13-14) — and so Jesus himself claims when accused by the Pharisees (Matt 26:63-65, Mark 14:61-62, Luke 22:67-70).

    just before his crucifixion, Jesus asked God to RESTORE Jesus' Glory/Godhood that Jesus had before the worlds were made (John 17:4-5); and that is exactly what God did (Rev 1:11-18, Phil 2:9-11). it is a GLORIFIED GOD MAN that sits on the right hand of GOD (Heb 10:12).

    and because ETERNAL God sacrificed His ETERNAL Glory/Godhood to save Mankind, punishment for rejecting Jesus is ETERNAL torment (Matt 25:41,46).

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  6. Xateen Noor

    Jesus (pbuh) said, “By myself I can do NOTHING; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.” [John 5:30]

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  7. Mg Soe

    Allah does not say that he will protect gospels from changing. In fact, Allays says in the Quran '' I revealed this book and i will protect it from the corruption. You are wrong brother.

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  8. Kinglovesyoutodeath

    Some prooftexts:

    Jesus is the Creator and God in flesh
    John 1:1-3, 14 NASB
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being…
    14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
    Colossians 2:9 NASB
    For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
    Colossians 1:15 NASB
    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    Colossians 1:18-19 NASB
    He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
    John 14:7-9 NASB
    "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father '?

    Jesus is equal to God
    Philippians 2:5-8 NASB
    Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

    The Father calls Jesus God
    Hebrews 1:5-9 NASB
    For to which of the angels did He ever say,
    “You are My Son,
    Today I have begotten You”?
    And again,
    “I will be a Father to Him
    And He shall be a Son to Me”?
    And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
    “And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
    And of the angels He says,
    “Who makes His angels winds,
    And His ministers a flame of fire.”
    But of the Son He says,
    “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
    And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
    “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;

    God's Son has the same name as God
    Proverbs 30:4 NASB
    Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know!
    Isaiah 9:6 NASB
    For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
    And the government will rest on His shoulders;
    And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
    Revelation 19:16 NASB
    And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

    The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of one name
    Matthew 28:19 NASB
    "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

    Jesus refers to Himself as God/"I am" (see Exodus 3:14)
    John 6:35 NASB
    Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
    John 8:12 NASB
    Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
    John 8:58 NASB
    Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
    John 10:9 NASB
    I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
    John 10:11, 14 NASB
    “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep… 14 I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,
    John 11:25 NASB
    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,
    John 14:6 NASB
    Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
    John 15:1, 5 NASB
    “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser… 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.

    Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit
    Philippians 1:19 NASB
    for I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
    Acts 16:7 NASB
    and after they came to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not permit them;

    Disclaimer: The Son is not the Father because Jesus' voice is distinct from the Father's, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit because the Spirit had to descend upon the Son.
    Matthew 3:16-17 NASB
    After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
    Mark 9:7 NASB
    Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
    Mark 1:11 NASB
    and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."
    Luke 3:22 NASB
    and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."
    Luke 9:35 NASB
    Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
    John 12:28
    "Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."

    More prooftexts:
    http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/was_jesus_god.html

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  9. Jason Jackson

    "I and the father are one" doesn't cut it.

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  10. Jason Jackson

    Sorry, good effort but you failed to answer the primary question. How can the son of God be God

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  11. SpkStephen

    I enjoy your videos very much. Keep up the great work!!! Thanks!!!

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  12. Kiki Tam

    Jesus real father is God. So you guys are wrong.

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  13. Kiki Tam

    God give Jesus power when he wasn't born yet.

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  14. The Naked Truth

    The quran says that what God revealed to Jesus was the pure word of God, i.e, the ORIGINAL GOSPEL in the Aramaic language, verbatim. And not the present four accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus and the letters of Paul. However, even in these four gospels the word of God is to be found therein in fragmentary form. Same goes for the Torah. Infact, Jews admit that the original torah was put in the ark of the covenant and the ark is now lost. So the people of the book have to follow what God has freshly revealed in the Quran which is in the riginal form for their savation.

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  15. Martin åkerlund

    We are "God". God is one consciousness (the universe) . the universe is God and everything in it too. all is one. The universie (God) can split up and create ANYTHING. God has split up into infinitely small consciousnesses with different egos. we all are God but we have illusions.. like egos and belief system that leads us to believe that we are separate beings. I AM ANOTHER YOU, YOU ARE ANOTHER ME. The universe consists of only one particle moving infinitely fast so it's appear to be everywhere at the same time. There is only one particle. you are made of the same particle as everything in the whole universe.. All is one,one is all  we are creating the universe and we are the universe and i know even more… one love ! 
    Ps. Meditation is the key 

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  16. David Boreland

    Talking to Muslims recently who brought up this point thanks for the help.

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  17. Drew & Dave

    Excellent point about the manuscripts dating before the Qu'ran, I'd bet that many Muslim believers haven't considered that point!

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply
  18. Erik Braganca

    when you quoted  john 10:30  "i and the father are one" and that some how that proves the trinity. Yehua(Jesus) also said " john 17:11 "Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we " does that mean we are gods too ?   . Now the last question if jesus is God and the bible states that God cannot be tempted . Was jesus tempted ? take care brother.  

    August 31, 2021 at 1:51 am Reply

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