Major Moral Argument Mistakes (Part 1)

Major Moral Argument Mistakes (Part 1)

Major Moral Argument Mistakes (Part 1)

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25 thoughts on “Major Moral Argument Mistakes (Part 1)

  1. Barry Jones

    Turek is constantly saying "we all know that rape is wrong, but atheists cannot account for this consensus of human opinion…because only god placing his law in our hearts can explain this phenomena…"

    But it is equally true that we all know that burning pre-teen girls to death merely because they engaged in premarital fornication is wrong. Yet this death-by-fire-for-little-girls is exactly what God commands in Leviticus 21:9.

    So…why do most people in human history recognize that burning pre-teen fornicating girls to death is wrong? Because our culture is so out of touch with holiness that we've become complacent about the dire consequnces god demands for sin? Or because the alleged law God allegedly placed in our hearts contradicts the law he wrote in Leviticus 21:9?

    I don't care what you do with Leviticus 21:9. If you think it applies today, expect plenty of other authentically born again bible-smart Christians to call you insane. if you think it no longer applies, then you are still saying it used to be morally good to obey this law and burn pre-teen girls to death, a proposition that would make many authentically born again Christians cringe, creating the possibility that it is the Holy Spirit who is trying to tell you that Leviticus 21:9 was never commanded by God in the first place.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  2. Kurt Wagner

    “Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?”
    ‭‭Job‬ ‭38:36‬ ‭KJV

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  3. OffYourselfGooglePLZ

    this may not be a fully encompassing, idk, "remark" on tax exempt, its just what annoys me is when the state demands "you do this or we take your 501c3 away" and they go OHhhhh NO PLZ big brother oh lord government plz no. we'll comply!

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  4. Jonne Steen Redeker

    So atheists don;t have an explanation for morality, and it must come from a fictional genocidal slavery promoting dictator? Have you ever even spoken to an atheist and asked about this? Of course you have, so you are just a straight up liar then. You cannot have morality in a universe ruled by the biblical god character. He is described as a monster.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  5. Jonathan Stern

    I would say that Christians actually stole their morality from the secular world. Question, do you think it's right to stone people to death for working on the wrong day? How about plucking out your eyes when you look at an attractive woman and think about bedding her? Should a young woman be executed and left on her father's doorstep if her hymen isn't in tact on her wedding night? Do you think it's a damnable offence to get angry at someone? Is it okay to own another human being? If a woman's husband dies, should she be forced to remain single for the rest of her life? I doubt that you agree with these, but these are just some of the "Morals," found in the Bible; both the old and new testament.

    Meanwhile, secular laws have come up with prohibitions against theft, murder, rape, pedophilia (no prohibition exists in the Bible btw), etc. The common factor for these being, harm vs help.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  6. Timeshark

    The moral thing always makes me laugh. Christians pretend that there aren't morals without the "objective" standard set by God and that all other groups borrow their standard… while the truth is that its Christians who borrow from secular morals and standards and discard what God supposedly said in the bible when it doesn't match.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  7. DJH316007

    We don't need to steal your terrible morals. Most atheists don't want your "moral" genocide and slavery.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  8. Eric Swanson

    While I agree with many of the tax arguments for churches, it wasn't until 1913 that it became law. The church (Christian men and women) will persevere. I hate to hear hopeless words like "churches would go under". I get Frank's point, but strong followers of Christ would simply shift their approach and God would use the circumstances for His glory.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  9. Eric Swanson

    I wandered to this video based on the title. 10 mins in and I've only heard political concerns. I love you Frank, but suggest you and the team edit these audio streams into seperate videos or simply update the title and notes with some context and where in the video to jump to the moral arguments section.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  10. Chibi Kami

    For clarification, Dr. Turek, Shapiro agrees with you on marriage. When he says he wants government out of marriage, he means they should have no part in defining it or making laws about it. Marriage, however, is a contract. He advocates that the government is there to enforce contracts, not dictate the terms of the contract or who can enter into said contract, with two stipulations: That the contract can't require you to break the law, and that you have to not be deemed incapable of providing consent.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  11. Sir P. Zohan I

    Thank you so much for feeding truth through this stream and many other videos cross examined has made!

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  12. Jonah Kane

    We are debating in debate team The existence of objective morality you guys recommend any books

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  13. wildforthecats

    I never like to mix religion and politics.  It is a very slippery slope

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  14. Jerry W

    Love you brother Frank

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  15. raynize1

    Hi Frank:
    You are correct, the church and the synagogue may not go after a husband if he refuses to pay child support, however the father is still liable, because divorce can be viewed as break in contract. So you can sue in civil court just like any other person who breaks a contract. I normally DO NOT agree with the warmonger NEOCON, however his libertarian position on this is the correct one.

    We need to get Government out of our lives.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  16. GFX Studio official

    Funny how these so cold internet atheists are screaming in comment section 😂

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  17. Real Estate Unplugged

    I love You brother but I totally disagree with your thinking on the government enforcing alimony on divorced men.

    I may be biased because I am a surviving child victim of divorced parents whom the government abused illegally via overstepping it's Constitutional authority to serve We, We the PEOPLE.

    Their communist tyranny strips family's down hard at their most trying times and unfortunately, my brother in Christ, cite people like you who want to suppose good motif, believing you are using "government"(it's un American by the way) to encourage men to stay with the family. Well, I can tell you from my biased perspective, in all of my personal and other close friends accounts the government helps NO FAMILY, except perhaps their own, by meddling in We the People's personal affairs.

    This type of dis service acts as a deterrent for American men to start a family in our birth country and instead delays our family beginnings, and sometimes that leads to indefinite family start delaying.

    Point is, on the flip side your thinking is a deterrent to good family planning, life and well being. The government meddling illegally in marriage is mostly a HARM to the family, and MUCH less a help. We think about 95-99% harm to 1-5% help.

    This is where the term REPUBLOCRAT derives. God bless you despite our current disagreement brother.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  18. Rafael mctc

    Why we as protestants use the 27 books canonized by Catholics and still call the a colt . Pl

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  19. LOVE'S Truth Reveals Our Father's Gift OF Delusion

    He is Antichrist of which there are many more today than the "many antichrists" that rose up to counter and leverage control over the spiritual Truth shortly after the resurrection of Christ. This antichrist leader leading his separating denomination attempts to respond when the clarity of innocence in a young girl puts him in an impossible spot; garnering nervous laughter immediately which rolls into a series of disconnecting comments, stories, and avoidances. Sad, pitiful, and delusional; but what can we expect from a person who represents lying doctrines of tradition which magnify doubt, worry, and fear through preaching about support, using human rationale and logic that justifies their own revenge and hatred.

    Belief in a torture chamber which enables their own imaginary god to satisfy a never-ending need for revenge, without mercy, with no redeeming value of Loving Purpose through which our True God and God's Christ give the Loving will of God to unfold.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  20. J H

    The government can enforce child support without being involved in marriage. You don't have to be married to have kids.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  21. One Term Trump TV Network

    The first mistake would be picking a racist, genocidal, baby murdering god as your moral inspiration. Youve already lost the debate at that point.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  22. Desire Of All Nations

    The subject of morality is something that truly turns my stomach about the absolute hypocrisy of mainstream Christianity. When an anti-theist claims morality is subjective, adherents of mainstream Christianity says morality is subjective because God provided the standard for morality. Then when the subject of obeying God comes into play, said adherents start concocting religious sounding arguments to characterize the very laws that reflect God's standard of morality as antiquated and useless in their lives. It is at that point they ironically agree with the anti-theist position and simultaneously lack the self awareness to realize it. It's no wonder anti-theists can't take Christianity as a whole seriously.

    If God's laws were truly for ancient Israel only, then morality became completely subjective after Passover of 31 A.D. and therefore you logically lack the grounds to criticize or condemn anything that opposes those laws, whether it be the LGBT and abortion movements or the porn industry. Stop flip-flopping between quoting the Torah and claiming it doesn't have any authority in Christianity depending on whether or not the situation is convenient enough for you to morally high ground other ppl. I for one am beyond sick and tired of this. If God truly provided an absolute and eternal standard for morality, then there is no excuse for mainstream Christianity to keep rationalizing it as something that only applied to 1 group of ppl thousands of yrs ago. Don't even think of @ me antinomians.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  23. Blessed Child

    Beto is from my state, Texas. He is from El Paso. Complete embarrassment to our state.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  24. atam mardes

    Christianity & other theistic belief systems are politically developed scams that use myth & superstitions to detach the vulnerable & gullible fools from a natural world by blind submission to authority, whose hoaxer preachers know the truth, but use the myth & superstitions to profit from those fools.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply
  25. Andreas Wibowo

    Ecclesiastes 7:16-18 (KJV) Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
    Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?
    It is good that thou shouldest take hold of this; yea, also from this withdraw not thine hand: for he that feareth God shall come forth of them all.

    May 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm Reply

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