Should the government legislate our morality?

Should the government legislate our morality?

Should the government legislate our morality?

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How much involvement do we want the government to have in our daily choices? Frank discusses the role of government and the constitution upon which the USA was founded.

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44 thoughts on “Should the government legislate our morality?

  1. Carolyn Joyner

    Nope, they have no moral sense at all, how could they legislate what they donโ€™t know?

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  2. Rirand Weavo

    What are the rights granted by God, and how do we know what they are?

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  3. Dozer

    Let me ask you guys something, do you believe in free speech? the first amendment? do you think you should be allowed to criticize anything and anyone without government persecution?

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  4. Team Tundra 2

    Absolutely not. No religion should be a part of any law or government. It is no ones job/responsibility to follow your religion. And if you think it should be laws, you sound like a communist

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  5. Mike Pierce

    But to answer the question directly should the government be involved in morality of society, the answer is no. Morality is learned through life experiences and circumstances you go through in life and the choices that are made.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  6. James Richard Wiley

    Dear Frank,
    You vote don't you?
    You are the government.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  7. Jason

    Shouldnt govt be moral

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  8. My name is jeff

    The purpose of government is to reward good and punish evil (Romans 13). As soon as a government no longer performs those God ordained functions, it loses itโ€™s divine sanction. John MacArthur just did a sermon on this a month ago (When government rewards evil and punishes good)

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  9. Ronald Lindeman

    The person in the video makes a big error. Thomas Jefferson mentions in the Declaration of Independence of the Untied States the phrase "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." Nature's God is different from a Story God like Jesus of Christianity, from the writings that created the Christian Bible.
    Thomas Jefferson read a lot from Philosophers of the Age of Enlightenment and did not think that Christianity is true. Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, who thought a Nature's God created the world and then left it alone. Jefferson did not know about evolution and had the problem of design, how did everything get here if it wasn't designed by a God.

    Thomas Jefferson thought we should use reason to decide how to make laws. Why do we have stop signs, not because some God told us to have them, but because we wanted to limit motor vehicles from running into each other. Laws should have a purpose for the people living on the Earth. To do the most good, and to make laws by the use of reason. Such as laws in restaurants that employees must wash their hands after going to the bathroom. Or laws saying that cold foods have to be cold and hot foods have to stay hot to prevent illness and disease.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  10. 170221dn

    It was in many ways founded on a moral law consistant with christianity. It has since been refined to remove the parts of Christian morality that most people now accept are outdated.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  11. Marian Y'o

    But Jesus was a king not a Christian.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  12. Bones

    Frank turek why do you lie to people ?

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  13. PHOENIX Animations

    Why in times of Adam and Eve incest was not a sin and why is now? is this sort of subjective moral changing in time?

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  14. REcurve32

    Jonathan Haidtโ€™s book, The Righteous Mind, is a incredibly relevant to this discussion. Heโ€™s very similar to Sam Harris but explains how morality is not subjective.

    One of his main points is that there are five primary moral pillars of which liberty is one and sanctity (or cleanliness) is another.

    In one sense we should have liberty to do what we want, but when it negatively effects the sanctity meter, problems arise. Injecting or consuming drugs fires the sanctity meter in the same way that eating raw meat might. If we loose sanctity in favor of liberty weโ€™d end up destroying that very liberty.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  15. Rugged Dre Louris

    A lot of people on both sides believe that the government should not interfere until the government is going to pass something that support their narrative

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  16. UNC

    You cannot legislate morality in a non theocratic society. You canโ€™t penalize all immoral behavior In a country that promotes freedom of choice. Since we have freedom of religion, we can choose a religion that may be considered immoral to others. What then? Morality is between man and God. All man can legislate is agreed upon laws. Morality failure is unto The Lord.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  17. H Singh

    In the new testament Jesus says the Bible is free of error.

    Therefore, is it a sin to say the Bible has errors since you are calling God a liar?

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  18. Some Random

    Just look at what is happening over in Afghanistan right now. Religious extremists are taking over the country and making the laws to suit their book.

    It is a perfect example of why we shouldn't be making laws based on religious teachings.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  19. Some Random

    If you have good reasons to make laws, then use those good reasons as your reasons.
    If your reasoning is "this is what me god dictated we should do"
    Then we should absolutely not be using that to justify making laws. That isn't a good reason. And it won't be even if your god is ever proven to exist.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply

    In my honest opinion, religious freedom is not only a good thing in a worldly sense, but in a spiritual one as well. I believe that itโ€™s necessary in order for one to worship God in a more biblical way whereas a government with not only a state church, but also one that enforces the ways of that church upon the people would hinder on oneโ€™s spiritual walk with God especially if the practices and beliefs of it (like in the Catholic or Mormon Church) are in conflict with the Bible.

    Also, Iโ€™vd heared that with freedom of religion comes freedom from religion because if we donโ€™t have both, then we will have neither.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  21. Some Random

    Your morals are vastly different from the morals dictated in the bible, and vastly different from the morals of the god depicted in the bible. So where exactly did your morals come from? Because they are not consistent with Christianity.

    Seems they are nothing more than your subjective opinions.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  22. Michael Bucksmith

    Marijuana is a gateway drug? Not sure there's soldi evidence on that.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  23. Ibrahim chat

    Proofs of Prophethood
    The bible, beyond doubt, indicates Jesus is not the last messenger.

    โ€œWhen the Advocate has come, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth that proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me,โ€ (John 15.26)

    _โ€œAnd when he comes, he will convict or convince the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of day of judgement._โ€ (John 16.8 Van Dyke)

    โ€œbut when he has come, the Spirit of truth, he shall guide you in all the truth; for he shall not speak of himself, but whatever he hears he shall speak, and he shall announce to you things to come.โ€ (John 16.13)

    Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him by the hand, for I will make a great nation. (Genesis 21.18)

    And God said to Abraham, "Be not displeased concerning the lad and concerning your handmaid; whatever Sarah tells you, hearken to her voice, for in Isaac will be called your seed. But also the son of the bond woman will I make a great nation because he is thy seed. (Genesis 21.12-13).

    Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy
    Version: KJV
    Chapter 18
    Verses 17-19
    Section โ€œThe prophetโ€

    17-The Lord said to me: โ€œWhat they say is good.
    18-I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their kinsmen Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.
    19-I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name.โ€

    โ€˜from among their brethrenโ€™ in Hebrew translation of the bible. โ€˜from among their kinsmenโ€ in KJV. It clearly refers to a nation other than the Israelites. Otherwise it should have been โ€˜from amongst themโ€™. The reference in (Deuteronomy 18:18) fit somebody who descends from the son of the bond woman Hajar.

    John Chapter 1
    John the Baptist Denies Being the Messiah
    19 Now this was Johnโ€™s testimony when the Jewish leaders[a] in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was.
    20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, โ€œI am not the Messiah.โ€
    21 They asked him, โ€œThen who are you? Are you Elijah?โ€
    He said, โ€œI am not.โ€
    โ€œAre you the Prophet?โ€
    He answered, โ€œNo.โ€
    _22 Finally they said, โ€œWho are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?โ€
    23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, โ€œI am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, โ€˜Make straight the way _for the Lord.โ€™โ€
    24 Now the Pharisees who had been sent 25 questioned him, โ€œWhy then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?โ€

    Accordingly, Jews were expecting 3 separate messengers.
    2-The Messiah
    3-The Prophet

    The Church reply: The Messiah is the final Prophet. The Jewish delegation was confused. They thought they are separate but they are not.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  24. Jesus Saves Trina Haifa

    Also I wanted to let you know that I was given a word when I was also praying and fasting just that something would happen by Hanukkah so when I enquired of God what is going to happen? I was given something to do with violence and Hamas!

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  25. midlander4

    Frank Gish Gallop Frank Gish Gallop Frank Gish Gallop Frank Gish Gallop. It's pathetic. Don't forget to get those book plugs in.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  26. J R

    No, but they will.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  27. Jacob Lee

    It all ready does and our government is secular, always has been.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  28. Devin Krike

    sure why not, they are so great at everything else they do… in case you are wondering, I am being sarcastic here.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  29. แซฦ“ แ›Ÿ าขแซแซแŽ 

    Welcome to Gilead (The Handmaidโ€™s Tale!

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  30. Ramon Fabular

    Small sin, big sin is a sin. I agree with the government to make sin illegal, if it endangers one's life and property…๐Ÿ™โœŒโœ๏ธ

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  31. Roddy Creswell

    You can't legislate morals.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  32. Jay Tee & D&D

    The government was founded by Freemasonry

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  33. saved by my love, GOD the LORD JESUS CHRIST

    praise the Lord and God bless you all glory be to the HOLY TRINITY forever and ever amen

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  34. MBKKT 90

    Just keep religion out of government and we'll be good

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  35. Michael Runk

    Actually he wrong. Jefferson wrote something called Jefferson Bible. Which basically what he did is he stripped away all the supernatural elements and religious elements and kept the elements that he believe created good system of morality.

    Second morality comes in two formats. Group morality and individual morality. Group morality is defined as being the standard of right and wrong by a collective group. Individual morality is what individual see as right and wrong.

    As human beings we are driven together for two reasons. The first is for companionship. The second is for survival.

    However in order for those two things to work you need some sort of group morality. Early humans found this out and it evolved as humans developed language then writing.

    At first it was instinctive. It didn't take early humans to figure out if they steal and kill and what not it decrease there chance at companionship and survival. So it be came instinctive to a degree.

    This why most people see murder, rape and steal as top immoral acts. Because those three things disrupt a group or a community more then anything. Thus lowers survival rate and companionship.

    Then as early humans developed language verbal laws where created. This help define what was right and wrong in a society. This helps guide individual morality.

    Then came written laws. Again this guides individual morality.

    Society decides what is right and wrong. When you study cultures around world and through time we can see different takes on what society consider to be morally right and wrong.

    The common thread is society keep a sense of morality they believe to be right and wrong to keep some measure of harmony in society.

    God is not necessary for morality to exist.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  36. Cameron stolhand

    I'm also a Christian libertarian and I live in California where it is now legal to smoke marijuana. This is what happened when it became legal. The people who were illegally smoking it still smoke it and people like me who did not smoke still do not smoke. Making pot legal does not stop people from smoking it. If you do believe that smoking marijuana is a sin do what Jesus did and rebuked them. Talk to them and provoke change and repentance. Don't do what the Pharisees did and make it illegal. Some people believe that pot can be used for medicinal purposes. Why should I lose access to choosing this medicinal drug if I ever do need it because someone is abusing it? Should I also lose the privilege to use gasoline when people figure out you can get high from huffing it? Where does the madness stop?

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  37. Anthony de Waal

    For anybody that thinks you have to "stop sinning" or be a "good person" or "repent of your sins" to be saved, this is for you, you're confused on a fundamental part of the Christian faith, it will change your eternal destination if you believe it.

    There are times in human history where God deals with people in different ways called dispensations and Paul says we are in the dispensation of Grace. But what hasn't changed is God has always demanded a blood atonement for the remission of sins.

    Moses was given the Law/Commandments through a covenant between God and Israel to distinguish them from the rest of the world and the Jews had to follow it/them and when they sinned they would have to bring a sacrificial lamb to the temple and sacrifice it to die in their place for the remission of sins.

    Jesus Christ tells us at the start of His earthly ministry that He came ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel, which are the Jews, preaching the Kingdom Gospel, which was the setting up of His 1000 year Millennium Reign as King and Jesus expected the Jews to follow the Law/Commandments as He did, but they rejected Him and had Him killed.

    Jesus, after His death and Resurrection went to Paul and REVEALED how salvation works today, which is by faith alone in His Ressurection and Blood Atonement for your sins for He was God's sacrificial Lamb for ALL sins, which is Paul's Gospel.

    If you go anywhere in the Bible for salvation besides Paul's Epistles, which are the books Romans thru Philemon, you WILL pervert salvation, lower the power of Christ's Blood which is an absolute abomination and go to Hell. Jesus Christ took the punishment in our place, we have NOTHING to do with salvation besides giving Christ 100% faith in what He did for us and when you do you are sealed with the Holy Spirit, given Christ's righteousness and can never lose salvation.

    Scripture time!๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ Let's start with Paul's Gospel of Salvation:

    KJV 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;ย  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.ย  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;ย  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    KJV Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:ย  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    KJV Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.ย  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    KJV Romans 3:22-26 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:ย  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;ย  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:ย  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;ย  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    KJV Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    KJV Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

    KJV Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    I hope you put your full trust in what Jesus Christ has done for us because He is the Way, Truth and the Life and no one will get to the Father except THROUGH Him! No, I'm not condoning sin, now that you have trusted in the Blood of Christ to cleanse you of your sin and are saved go and live godly to build Heavenly treasures and watch your fellowship with Christ and the Father grow! You'll fall, maybe more times than others, but Christ has you and you are cleansed by His Blood, so, don't worry! God bless you!

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  38. Sufficient Inside

    Morality is subjective get over it

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  39. Pondimus Maximus

    Governments have a LONG history of bringing death and misery to all that they touch. If you get caught under their wheels, they will grind you into dust. God alone, is the author of morality. His Word determines what is right and what is wrong. Governments only tell you what is legal and illegal. Therefore, governments have no legitimate authority to legislate morality. Governments have a duty to protect your rights, but not to coerce your behavior, otherwise.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  40. Eric

    I think itโ€™s moral for churches pay taxes. Canโ€™t wait to see them lining up to cut checks to IRSโ€ฆ

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  41. D V

    Im sure if we asked the Jews being loaded on trains, they would unashamedly say NO.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  42. Jeremy

    How did religion get it's definition? seems awfully religious. No Establishment Clause?. Morality? Government acting like "God"? A person can say it's not when in reality I believe it is due to "knowing right and wrong". What did religion tells us about "knowing right and wrong?" The main reason why things were so limited in the first place yet now look at us. God was their before man had to go and screw things up. Kind of sounds like the Nature of Man. Survival of the fittest it sure looks like… "Man I'd really like to create my own rules, wouldn't you?. But your just 1 person, Lets gang up now so we can"… Last quote was a thought… Created equal my butt because of the Nature of Man.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  43. Hans De Mos

    Dr. Turek is so right here! "You can argue those things"! You can make rational arguments about moral issues and decide what to do based on those rational arguments. Of course you can use reference materials to support your rational arguments, but in the end it must be the force of your argumentation that wins the day, not the assumed authority of your reference book.

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply
  44. MidnightModder

    What about George Washington being a Freemason?

    February 28, 2022 at 11:15 pm Reply

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