The BIG difference between the disciples and other martyrs | @Mike Licona

The BIG difference between the disciples and other martyrs | @Mike Licona

The BIG difference between the disciples and other martyrs | @Mike Licona

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Obviously, no one alive today witnessed the resurrected Christ, so how can we trust that Christ was resurrected? The disciples saw this, they knew Christ, they lived beside Him. It makes no sense that the disciples would suffer and die to perpetuate a lie of a resurrected Christ. Of course, we can believe wrongly in something and die for it, but who is going to die for what they know to be a lie? Check out the discussion Dr. Mike Licona and Frank had regarding the differences between Jesus’ disciples and other religious martyrs. 

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48 thoughts on “The BIG difference between the disciples and other martyrs | @Mike Licona

  1. Mr. P.

    911 was an inside job

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  2. Kingsley Olaleye

    This video was a blessing thank you

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  3. António Lopes

    Jesus didn't clame he was God.
    Jesus went to the desert to be tempted, and the devil proposition was to give him the world. So why would satan give the world to the one who created it all and know the serpent will be smashed?
    Also God can't be tempted.
    Plus, jesus prayed to God.
    None of that makes sens.
    What makes sens is jesus is the son the first born. He had a begining. God has no begining. So the problem is some bible verses sometimes confusing or even maipulated or lacking the right ponctuation, or we sometimes lack the real context

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  4. Rick Knight

    Great video

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  5. R 1

    Such a good point! I never thought of this.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  6. Jms Manroe

    Only Jesus came from heaven and returned to heaven and will come again. Others religion founders just human like us. All human are sinners and need redeemer. Love from Indonesia

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  7. Dah J

    This was a very insightful point. I never thought about it that way. Thank you

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  8. John Mejia

    Definitely a valid point. I think there were a few very early muslim martyrs..

    But I suppose it would be difficult for them to ensure that what they believed was true, since Mohammad's main miracle WAS the Qu'ran.

    Definitely a good point though. I wouldn't consider myself a Christian but I never thought about it in the sense that

    There are people who claimed to be eyewitnesses of supernatural events who were willing to die for such claims. Which is definitely something!

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  9. frank stallcup

    The truth is all religion is of Satan, the Catholic Church being the mother of them all, including Islam, religion is used to take you away from the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit dwells in us all, it’s your responsibility to seek him with all your, heart, mind and soul, the first and the greatest commandment.
    You are the Temple, the altar is your mind, and this is where you worship in spirit, this is this who worship therein, like Revelation 11:1 tells you, these are the ones to be measured, the ones to receive the seal of God in there foreheads
    These are the elect, who don’t fall for 1st contact, aliens or fallen angels here again as the days of Noah, saying they created us
    The great delusion, that if it were possible would deceive the very elect, those with the seal of God in there foreheads, organized religion is used to teach doctrines of men, your teacher is the Holy Spirit, let me show you.
    John 14:26
    26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
    This clearly tells you who your teacher is.
    2 Corinthians 11:14-15
    14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
    Thus explains how Satan is transformed into an Angel of light, through religion, tracing pastors to teach doctrines of men.
    Matthew 15:9
    9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
    This tells you anyone belonging to religion, worships in vain, how do we know ?
    John 4:24
    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    Clearly it says you’re to worship in spirit
    Revelation 17
    The woman of Revelation 17, is the Catholic Church, mystery Babylon or Vatican City 🇻🇦 the mother of all harlots, the mother of all religions.
    Babylon means to confuse, confuse all who belong to religion, when 1st contact happens, aliens or fallen angels, the whole world will hate the woman, and all her harlots, the whole world will hate religion, the world will hate anyone who gives testimony to Jesus Christ.
    This is who he makes war with the saints and overcomes us, he has the support of the whole world to kill the 2 witnesses, Jews who believe and Gentiles who believe, and give testimony, while prophesying the first 3.5 years of the Great Tribulation, just as I prophesy to you now.
    There will o my best one calling up, that happens at the end of the Great Tribulation, @ Jesus returns, we are transformed in the blink of an eye, and meet Jesus in the clouds, and our enemies behold us as we rise to meet him.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  10. erick salas

    He's gay

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  11. Thomas Michael

    Why do the trolls rage and imagine vain things?

    My apologies, that's why you're called trolls.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  12. Anon Mous

    The apostles did not only believe but KNEW Jesus died on the cross and rose on the third day as he said he would. If he did not rise from his death our faith would be in vain as Paul said.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  13. Hexyl Cinnamal

    The jihadists martyr themselves largely with intent to harm others but Christians don't martyr themselves with the intent of harming others. Christians say "Let them harm me." And the jihadists says "Let me harm them."

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  14. Kayla N

    Key point @2:22 They actually SAW Jesus risen from the dead.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  15. Joe Daley

    The Father is God.

    John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    Believing Christ is God is not believing he is the Son of God. It denies both God and his Son.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  16. Àlvaro Gomez

    We know our Redeemer lives! He is alive forever more and one day we will see him face to face in all his glory

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply

    FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD JESUS CHRIST, WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE IN HEAVEN FOREVER AND EVER. John 3:16 Bible….THE RAINBOW🌈THRONE OF SON OF GOD JESUS CHRIST AND THE TREE OF LIFE, Revelation 4 and Revelation 22 Bible. And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.🔥This is the second death. Revelations 20 bible…. ❤️I SAW A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
    5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”❤️
    6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,🔥which is the second death.”REVELATION 21

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  18. Chris

    Did it not occur to you guys that perhaps the whole story is made up? They didn't die because they didn't exist, the story is made up and so are all the characters..

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  19. Scorpion 40

    Why would the disciples die terrible deaths for something they didn't believe in? If they never saw the resurrected Christ then Christianity would have ended there. Yet they did! Thanks be to our God who always keeps his word and loves us with an everlasting love.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  20. Stormy Tube U

    What is the best evidence that god exists?

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  21. Jamie Kernahan

    Tge teachings that jesus taught is deep and dangerous. It makes one see the invisible machine with hidden judgement placed upon their spirit one must be reborn to see the kingdom of heaven. Were in heaven

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  22. Samuel Drake

    Who Said Any Agnostic Or Atheists Believe Jesus and His Disciples Existed in The First Place…Let Alone their Preaching and Murder..
    Its all Written by Some Group Of Master Manipulative Philosophers In The Darkness to Make it their Tool To Control the World….

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  23. Jeffrey

    How do you even know the truth is even if you die can you really say where or who you are going to it doesn't show who is the truth but only compare scriptures and saying who really the truth is and what if you are wrong does anybody knows.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  24. Sierra Clark

    Jesus Christ is waiting for you with His arms open wide!😁

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  25. Jacob Ibarra

    You’ll die for the truth, but nobody dies for a known lie. They might die for what they “think” is the truth, but no one willingly dies for a known lie.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  26. Duke Of Sahib

    If the apostles wouldn’t have suffered and died for claims they knew were false then why would Joseph Smith die for his claims about Mormonism?

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  27. James Lake- Mental Game Snooker Consultant

    They’ve missed out one key factor that is the islamic wing who allegedly do suicide attacks are committing suicide and that’s totally different from being killed for what you believe. Plus the bible forbids suicide… so where they’re getting the scripture from in the koran about suicide missions idk 🤷‍♂️

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  28. SB

    As a child, I remember laying outside on the lawn looking up into the night sky with binoculars for the first time, and thinking "Wow, who made all this" while sensing the Eternal.
    He had me at Creation.

    (Sadly, chemtrails and excessive city lights are robbing children of these experiences in the sky with their Creator; likely on purpose).

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  29. Temsumongba Jamir

    For knowing the true teachings of Muslims you should watch Christian Prince debates (he has profound deep knowledge about Islam). He exposes the lies and even the Muslim leaders are afraid of debating him.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  30. Derrick C.

    You are a sick person for comparing terrorists to the real martyrs of God.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  31. Theo Skeptomai

    And apparently no one back in the 1st century witnessed a resurrected Jesus either.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  32. King Genius

    Don't understand why this channel keeps trying to push an argument from martyrdom. It doesn't prove anything

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  33. the F.R.E.E. J.

    THE Big difference? They knew their God, because their God came here & spent time with them. It's hard to get to know someone who is all about death & destruction. Jesus is someone you can know and, through that knowing, be willing to die for Him in a rational way that has nothing to do with rewards in heaven. Although some Christians do that, which I think is mistaken & actually diminishes Him.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  34. anthony gilio

    Se voce nao crer voce morrera em teus pecados

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  35. Thomas Michael

    We suffer because this is the world we're born into, one of suffering and sorrow and death. But we have hope in Jesus Christ and His Gospel of Salvation and eternal life in Him. Those of God hear the power in these words and those not of God have no hope in anything except stealing the hope of the faithful.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  36. Chowtime DOJO

    I always like this concept of explaining it. Why would the Jews make up a false Christ when their Culture taught them that they would go to hell for worshipping a false God. Yet they did follow and Worship Jesus and willingly went to their Deaths for claiming to see him risen from the dead! That is a Historical truth claim. If you go to Muhammad now, He contradicts it. So we have to ask ourselves who is more reliable Muhammad or Jesus? Sure you might have Muslims with strong Faith willing to die for that belief. But the strength of their faith does not matter. Its the Objective of their Faith that matters. In other words. I might have a little bit of Faith in Jesus (THICK ICE) All I needed was a little faith and that thick ice, the Objective of my Faith, was solid and reliable. A Muslim can have EXTREME Faith in Thin Ice, Either way though the objective of his Faith is not reliable and he falls through the Ice.

    God said to Moses in the Spirit "Tell the people of Israel I AM WHO I AM, Tell them "I AM" has sent you" When Jesus said to the people "Before Abraham was born "I AM" and YAHWEH is the Hebrew word for I AM WHO I AM, It is derived off the word for I AM. Jesus clearly told us who he was. The disciples and over 500 eye witnesses claimed to have seen a risen Christ.

    Compare this perfect Sinless life of Jesus and the death and resurrection to Muhammad now. So Muhammad was 500 years after Christ, He never was a eye witness and is to young to have ever spoken with a eye witness. Muhammad was a war lord who lived by the Sword. How many wives did Muhammad have? What did Muhammad say about his enemies? What happen to Muhammad after death? Islam is a divided religion too. Some take the part of peace, Others take the part of Death to Infidels. Who is the thick ice we should put our Faith in Jesus or Muhammad?

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  37. Jackal's Gate

    Did it ever occur to you that the Disciples didn't believe or claim that Jesus {the man} literally rose from the dead.?
    That's your thing.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  38. Ishaku Yami

    Christian's (not generally) of course using their "Christian logic" and applying it to Islam.

    Turek says that the muslims haven't witnessed anything and of course he is talking about modern day muslims.

    I find this really weird. Basically what he is saying is that modern day muslims didn't witness anything but modern day Christian's have.

    If he is saying muslims at the time of the Prophet pbuh, then he severely lacks knowledge and history.

    There is no difference. Let's not consider religion to be true, what are martyrs dying for? Both Muslim and Christian martyrs are dying for their own BELIEF .

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  39. JD SHL

    For fame, fortune, and a harem. If not in this life, then in the next.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  40. Hans De Mos

    Liars make poor martyrs, sure; so which of the disciples, the people who knew Jesus when he was alive, and who are reported to us as having had the resurrected Jesus appear to them in the flesh, can we confidently say were martyred for their faith?
    Most of the disciples just vanish from the New Testament after the resurrection, so, who do we have left? We may have Peter, if he indeed was executed in the persecutions after the great fire of Rome. We may have James, the son of Zebedee, although his death is not described as being specifically because of his religious convictions. We may have James the brother of Jesus, if you believe the passage about him in Josephus, which I personally do not, but even if you do, his death doesn't seem to have anything in particular to do with knowledge of the resurrection, but rather with religious political score settling.
    Who am I forgetting? John, the other son of Zebedee? We don't know anything about how he died, and if you believe he is the same person who wrote Revelation, then he died of natural causes exiled on an island that is a holiday resort nowadays.
    So tell me who I am forgetting. Or is Dr. Turek's and Dr. Licona's argument just based on Peter and possibly the two Jameses, and on the very dodgy stories that we are left with from later centuries about what the others supposedly did? That seems a very, very shaky argument indeed.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  41. SaikouUsagi

    No one choose to die, they were murdered. Jesus didn't want to die. Luke 22:42. I'm pretty sure Christian didn't choose to die but their murder is the testimony of their devotion for Jesus.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  42. Pedro Morales

    Good video

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  43. Robert A

    Ask a Christian in North Korea or China or Pakistan what it's like to be a martyr and be in fear for your life every day. They can tell you.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  44. Robert A

    If a Muslim martyr wants to get to heaven they have to kill an "infidel"
    If a christian martyr goes to heaven it is because someone killed them.
    Big difference.
    Martyrdom is seen very different in Islam and Christianity.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  45. Steel City

    And why did the pharisees not produce a body? That would have silenced everyone and stopped Christianity before it even began and that is exactly what the pharisees wanted to do.

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  46. colinmatts

    Who said they invented the resurrected Jesus? It's a story in a book. We have no way of verifying whether or not it is true. And who knows if the characters in the story died for believing the resurrection. No one knows for certain how the apostles died. Their martyrdom is just church tradition. Subsequent Christians may have been killed for refusing give up their BELIEF in the resurrection. That doesn't mean the story is true. Consider Thomas More, martyred in 1535 for refusing to relinquish his Catholicism. Does his death make Catholicism true?

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  47. Rodney Simpson

    Jospeh Smith also died for his religion as well. Am I mistaken?

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply
  48. James Richard Wiley

    People believe all sorts of claims.
    The story of Jesus and those who believed he was Yahweh's son and those who died for their belief just shows that people don't think very well.
    If Yahweh existed and cannot make a mistake
    there is no need for him to become a human sacrifice to correct his mistake.
    In his own words Yahweh was sorry he had made a mistake when he created humanity.
    ◄ Genesis 6:6 ►
    New International Version
    "The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled."

    January 1, 2022 at 3:04 am Reply

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