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Answering some questions about other religions and the Gospels.
Guys I’m so confused I believe in God with all my heart and I believe that Jesus died for our sins so we can be with God and I pray through Jesus to God why is there a difference with Muslim and Christians they both believe in the same God Jesus came and died on the cross so that we could be forgiven for our sins and be with God am I wrong?
Well, let's see. The very earliest written works about Jesus came almost a century after him. It certainly wasn't Mark that wrote the "Gospel of Mark" because by the time this writing came to light, Mark, Mathew, Luke and John had all long gone too. There were no copies, originals or otherwise, that recorded anything Jesus said or did. The writer of the Gospel of Mark had nothing to cross reference it to whether by other writings or living testament of people who had walked with Jesus PBUH, eaten with him, heard him preach etc so any "fact" written couldn't be affirmed as the words or writings of Jesus, and every mistake that was made was now their reality, even though it should have never been. The inauthenticity of that particular Gospel, is well known but had to be accepted as the truth, even though it sure as heck, wasn't. The later Gospels came decades after "Mark's" and it is accepted that both Mathew and Luke, heavily plagiarized off Mark's copy and was even less credible. Then we had John's version that was different to the other 3, and even that was accepted. Talk about being sheep!! Then you had Paul. People the religion that goes by the name of Christianity, is not the words and works of Jesus but of Paul's. Paul, a man who had never even met, talked to, heard, preach or perform any miracles at all convinced the authorities at that time that Paul, one of the hardest persecutors of Christian, was going to end up negating those words and worlds and instead teach WHAT he, Paul wanted to teach. Well he accomplished that. No one here follows Jesus. It is paul that they follow. One example being that Jesus said quite clearly that the way to heaven was through good works, and Paul said instead, heaven was only granted to those that believed that Jesus PBUH was crucified and died for our sins. Jesus certainly didn't teach that himself. When you use the argument that the only way to the Father was through Jesus, well, DUh…that didn't make him divine, it simply meant that just like Abraham, Noah, Solomon, Moses etc following and emulating Jesus, was the surest way to Heaven. The way to God will always be through their teachings. Period Paragraph. Then the Council of Nicea came about and even more stuff was taken out, omitted or made up. Trust me it would take me ALL day and all night writing, to list all the differences between what Jesus taught and what the bible we follow, teaches. Never one time did he EVER claim to say " I am God, Worship me" nope not one place has that written anywhere. Jesus will be able to give no answer to his God when he is asked, Oh Jesus, son of Mary, did you tell these people to take you and your mother as Gods instead of worshipping the One True God? Jesus PBUH will tremble and tell his Maker that he did NOT and had he actually said it, God would have known!!! So much more to write. Perhaps next time, I'll continue from.where I leave off now
Jesus spoke Aramaic and the Gospels were written in Greek. The New Testament was written in Greek. This is strange, people of course call The Gospel books Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John well they call them Matthew Mark, Luke, and John because we don't know who wrote these books and there's no point calling them Sam, Fred, Jerry, and Harry I'm mean they are written by people, we don't know who they were written by. They are Anonymous. You might not think so because they have the title The Gospel according to Matthew whoever put that title on it was an editor later. The followers of Jesus were Aramaic speaking peasants from Galilee, lower class men who were not educated. In fact Peter and John in Acts chapter 4 verse 13 are literally said to be illiterate! they couldn't read and write. Of course not, they were fishermen they didn't go to school the vast majority of people in the ancient world never learned to read let alone write and their native language was Aramaic these books are written in Greek by Highly Educated rhetorically trained writers who were skilled in Greek composition.
Atheist: I can prove that God doesn't existGod: what tools would u like me 2 make u to prove it ?
As always it takes a Brit to take a Yank down.
why would i follow bible when i know that it has many versions, written by christians not jesus, every version is different…. keep telling me its a word of God, still no sane man will believe that….. on the other hand, Quran is Quran from 1400 years.. nothing changed…..
Very few people could give a whipping to Hitchens the way Turek does with his razor sharp wit and accurate facts. I’m thoroughly convinced that God could have revealed himself and Christopher would still doubt him. He probably met God when he died and still made up excuses why He doesn’t exist
Frank says that Jesus is the son of God then how can at the same time the son of God can be crucified it doenst make any sense. It is told that the Bible had changes made in it by people or a king so it cant entirely be true now. The Holy Quran corrected the event of Jesus, wouldnt anyone accept a correction given to them even after years of the event so that they would come to know the truth as to what actually happened?
Several people on this thread refer to Christopher Hitchens as Chris. I'm sure nobody means offence but Hitchens never let this pass. He always insisted that his parents had named him Christopher.20 years is not a long time ago and like many I can remember things well from that era. It does seem remarkable that some unnatural events, such as the dead rising and greeting old friends is only mentioned once. One might expect such an event to be one of the high lights of the story or could it be one more addition to the fable?
I am a Muslim.
Whatever he said was a complete lie. Let me explain.
Quran was complete and WRITTEN down during the life of Holy Prophet. Prophet made More than 1000 people memorized Quran by heart. It was not gathered during the time of 4th caliph… Complete LIE… curse be on lairs
secondly,not a single verse of QURAN say that jesus went to heaven.. Another lie.Quran clearly says 30 different times that Jesus is dead. he was not crucified, he survived and died later on. THIS IS WHAT QURAN SAYS
thirdly,disciples never even spoke the language bible is written in.
Christopher Hitchens is dead and in hell. 12/15 will be his 9th year anniversary since he died.
Jesus peace be upon him in Islam is said to be a human being who was sent as a messenger; he didn't die because a bad person(a fake follower of his) was crucified instead of him as God gave him Jesus's image.And he was lifted to the Heavens from where he is going to ascend one day and eventually save humanity from a misleading person with a wrong faith.
We As Muslims in our Quran Believes That this one who died in the cross wasnt Jesus pbuh god raised him to heaven and he will return at day of judgment to kill the antichrist and he will die afterwards and by the way it doesnt mean that a holy book revealed from god after another that means the older is the wright one it means that god have sent another messenger to correct what man has corrupted before
2:27 …. well that's ok Hitch because despite there being one Quran it contradicts itself a lot and we can prove that …. most complaints about the bible is some atheist thinks he or she found a contradiction or more and likely is repeating something another atheist said but whichever it is they end up being wrong and misunderstanding what they read if they read it at all .
In islam if u want know about jesus (pubuh) u must about mariam(saint mary)
While I disagree with Christopher on most of his claims about God, I totally agree with him on how Christians have no grounds to begin to believe the bible is an original book.
At the same time I disagree with Christopher about his claim about Quran. Quran is authentic not plagiarism. If It was an act of plagiarism one would see the God of Quran would be similar to the God of Christianity
Christopher Hitchens arguments are extremely weak. He points out differences, but fails to point out that all of the gospels teach the central point that Jesus dies and was resurrected.
Athiests like to avoid their burden of proof, that is they don’t like taking responsibility for their arguments.
If you say NT is a history book, that's okay.But if you say ''NT is the Word of God'' then there is a problem.Because there are too many different views within the Gospels.it wouldn't happen if it was the Word of God.
Funny how frank starts to really get hitchens in a corner and the moderator changes to another question.
Hitchens is a Juu.. Nuff said
Pray for Christopher to humble himself that God may open his eyes. In Jesus name.
Satan speaking through Hitchens. Now I wonder what he thinks now..
The problem with the Bible being corrupted is that you have to show who corrupted it and when and how. Also, the least Allah could've done was given Muhammad the ability to raise the dead since other prophets including Jesus did so. Not to mention: Why wait 600 years to fix a mistake? Islam makes God sound incompetent!!
Hitch lied about the crucifixion in Islam.. They believe God replaced him not "the jews"
If the Muhammadans understood what Jesus did He would be written out of the Quran today.
St. Ignacious of Antioch was a student of Apostle John, and in his well preserved letters, we see much of what the gospels say. The gospels accounts were likely going around long before the oldest we have found. Just because we’ve only found one at one date does not prove anything except that something was written at that time. You can’t know which is the original but by a best guess which changes every time they find a new manuscript. By the standards the new atheists profess to, its unlikely Plato or Aristotle existed either. 🤷🏾♂️
There is no god except almighty Allah and Muhammad pbuh is last messenger of Allah..
Turek: finishes talking.Next person: unleashes a cannonade of arguments from silence.
Jesus is the only way to the Father in Heaven! Praise the LORD! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Proverbs 26:11 Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. We know Muhammad is false by his fruits.
Matthew and John were jesus disciples so i don't know what bro man is talking about
"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:"Isaiah 55: 6 KJV Seek Jesus everyone!
Jesu never say,I am God warship me .
John, Paul, & all the disciples are pen names. Nothing about them is known. They didn't even write the bible, someone else wrote it on their behalf. Frank was struck without a logical answer
they skip him so much
Miracles confirm that Jesus is the son of God?? How? How does performing miracles equate+s that Jesus is a son of God or God? Does that mean that Moses is God or Elijah is God..etc?Very weak and desperate argument!
Jesus performed multiple miracles yet He is only a prophet???
Esau wicca bastards Islam Babylon fled from Gods punishment on there Vikings slave ships and bowed to many Gods Egypt and magic spells and curses and have wiped out murdered Ephraim. Haters that hated God first Listen carefully ..We 10 lost tribes never forgave them… good cause God didn't either
Jesus is the Messiah
The Jesus of the Quran is different from the Jesus in the Bible,, and Allah is not Yahweh, The God of the Bible Yahweh Adonai El shaddai Elohim the holy one of Israel is the one true God..
Lets see: 20 years ago today the biggest hits would have been between Backstreet Boys, Nsync, Britney Spears, or Christina Aguilera. Pretty sure anyone who is older than 24 and listened to Top 40 can recite all the lyrics of their songs. High school for me was over 15 years ago and I can remember all the rumors that if i wrote a book about my time in High School, it'll be there. It's just funny to me how atheists and skeptics really try to make excuses that they wouldn't normally make for any other literature to deny the existence, Crucifixion, and Resurrection of Jesus
Black African Ishmael went threw Moses pier in Congo Egypt home every night like nubians no slave masters hands they are . Somehow under laws of islam Babylon they dig for ELIXIR and spells. Remember when serpent rider Obama rised he called upon wicca and Islam .Satan worshipers
They are lost tribes in the middle east. Many went to Wicca Esau great Britain and made slaves in there army 300 years and some went to Islamic countries and they named them and I prefer not to mention who they are . For there safety at this time who are great warrior's.
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