The Strongest Argument for God | 🎙Podcast

The Strongest Argument for God | 🎙Podcast

The Strongest Argument for God | 🎙Podcast


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There is an argument for God that works even if the universe is eternal, even if macroevolution is true, even if a person believes that science is the supreme source of knowledge. It’s an argument that is as old as Aristotle, yet few talk about it today. Tricia Scribner, co-editor of the new book Answering the Music Man joins Frank for a fascinating discussion that unpacks this ancient argument in modern terms. Frank and Tricia show that science wouldn’t even work unless the premises of this argument were true.

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33 thoughts on “The Strongest Argument for God | 🎙Podcast

  1. Lance Dooley

    As Ken Ham says. In evolution their is no proof any where of a change of kind or added new genetic code or matter. You have to be an absolute fool to not believe in creation.
    Observational science and Historical science proves the Bible. No other book has anywhere close to the information to the Bible. None!!

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  2. Matt OToole

    This just a teleological argument based on cucumbers. 🥒 I'm just surprised it's not a complete word salad, as a result. 😄

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  3. Lawrence Davidson

    If anyone is so certain they’ve got the best, undeniable evidence for the existence of god, please, go collect your Nobel Prize and be done with it!!!

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  4. Brien Doyle

    … and yet – there are still NO gods proven… next…

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  5. Michael Strydom

    I wish her microphone was better, it’s quite tricky to follow along most of the time personally.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  6. Lisa Simmons

    With respect, I find no strength in the alleged argument.

    Additionally, science is not based on philosophy but rather on testing and observing.

    Also with respect, I was utterly and truly and profoundly disappointed to hear that our ultimate purpose is to know God. In all honesty and seriousness, what a let-down.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  7. Brien Doyle

    First of all, don't attempt to reverse the burden of evidence.
    You make a positive claim and we don't believe it, so it's up to you to support your claim with evidence.

    It is Not a logical concept to 'dis'-prove that which has not been proven, First!

    Second, absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.
    Furthermore, absence of evidence when your hypothesis claims that there should indeed be evidence is strong evidence of absence.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  8. Brien Doyle

    The Bible 'book' = a compendium of fire side tales and fables,

    recounted orally ,

    for generations by goat herders and primitive tribes from the stone age,

    until writing was invented,

    and then, many different sources, transliterations, and versions were copied and written down..

    ''The Bible was created during a time where stories were verbally passed down over hundreds of years.

    Stories constantly morphed and changed over time, and the Bible is a collection of these.

    This is why it has the nearly identical flood story from Gilgamesh, and why Jesus has the same characteristics as Dionysus, Osiris, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna.

    The contradictions and immorality in the stories are not evidence that God is flawed or evil,

    but rather that humans invented him, just like the thousands of other gods that we used to, but no longer believe in.''

    ..and to answer the questions of the many fears and mysteries of our universe, like 'thunder' and earthquakes, since there was no science yet.

    That was the old Testament.

    The new Testes is also hearsay since these letters, 'gospels' and stories were written by the loyal faithful, the camp followers,

    not by objective historians at that particular time,

    or by any contemporary writers,

    and these tales were written many years after the supposed events of this mythical Jesus.

    There is essentially very little evidence of a Jesus in real documented history.

    A couple of spurious Roman reports, and all the rest anecdotal.

    …but more importantly …a jesus' existence is not an issue!

    A jesus is irrelevant without a god !

    Then, many of these stories, but not all, as many were not chosen,

    [ There are more than just four Gospels but only these four were agreed on ],

    were compiled for one self-absorbed converted Roman Emperor in his Nicean Council,

    for his expressed purpose of conquest


    control of the people of Europe for his Holy Roman Empire.

    He recognised that this was the perfect religion/mythology for the future domination of the populaces.

    Half of the stories were ignored by the Nicean Bishops and none have been proven to be based on fact.

    This 'Bable' book is backed up by absolutely no facts and no evidence.

    It is not proof for any god(s) ….(or of any jesus as a god…)

    The fables are intertwined within historical places and people…

    eg Egypt and the Pharaohs existed,

    whereas Moses and the Exodus did not happen…!

    It is a historical novel

    …. ie A book of fiction…


    The Bible book is proof of a book … ONLY (certainly not evidence of any gods…)

    PROVE a god!

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  9. Brien Doyle

    Report this site

    For Child Abuse

    For Fake News

    For false information!

    Report ALL religious sites

    – Often!

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  10. Ken Ammi

    Dan Barker co-founded the Freedom From Religion Foundation in a country premised upon the concept of freedom of religious expression. I am not one for genetic logical fallacies but, that does speak volumes about the level of his acumen.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  11. Dark Knighte Apologeticz

    I've heard this argument before. Good points. I may try to get this book someday. I love this ministry. "Kind" is not the best word to describe the different species of plants and animals. "Kind" makes it sound too much like a young-earth creationism argument and those are false/debunked arguments. You want to use old-earth creationism arguments. Keep up the good work. God bless.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  12. laneoliver

    Great content!

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  13. Gerry De naro

    Atheism is apparently true because of the theory of Darwinian Evolution.
    God created man we read from the dust of the earth" not blindly nor by chance, not by some blind,  bottomup, unplanned, goal-less process, but out of love that would give intelligent life meaning, hope and destiny. And this all took place not in a lawless, lifeless chaotic world as Atheism would demand, but in a finite, awe-inspiring, rationally intelligible, abstract law-abiding universe. A universe that Einstein could only describe as a miracle. Only within theism do we have the necessary intellectual framework to explain miracles like existence from non existence in the finitude of past time. The claim that our finite material world was created out of nothing by a law such as gravity is about as farcical and unscientific a theory as an atheist scientist can get. At least Hawking concedes that his natural explanation accepts the evidence that everything came to be in the finite past, from nothing.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  14. Lisa Love Ministries

    Seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness, rejoice.
    Proverbs 3:5-6
    Proverbs 9:10

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  15. Esteban Salinas

    God: Our story begins with a loving Father that created everything we see. Even you and me. He created us to have a relationship with Him, and to live forever with Him. He is a holy Father that sees all things, even what is in our hearts. (Genesis 1:27)
    Sin: When sin came into the world it created a gap that separated us from God. No longer we were able to come in the presence of our Father. Because God can see everything, He can see the sin in our lives and the Bible tells us that the price for sin is death. (Romans 6:23) So, we were separated from our Father and destined to die.
    Jesus: But God’s love for us was so much that He could not let us die. He gave up His most beloved treasure, Jesus to die for us instead. Jesus, The Son of God, became a man so that He can suffer and die and pay the price that we were supposed to pay. After 3 days, He rose from the dead, defeated sin and death and is now sitting right next to The Father. Jesus is the bridge that we need to cross to go to our Father. (Romans 5:8)
    The Gift: The blood of Jesus that was spilled on the cross is the one that washes away our sins. That is a gift to us. That gift makes us clean, makes us righteous, forgiven and allows us to be able to have a close relationship with our Father and access everything that He has for us. This is the gift of salvation. It is up to us if we accept this gift or not. (Ephesians 2:8)
    Believe: Nobody is forced to accept this gift. If you want it, you need to ask for it; you need to speak it with your mouth and you got to believe it in your heart. Once you do that, you will be saved and a new you will be born inside of you. The Spirit of God will come live on the inside of you and will help you with everything you need. Never again you will be alone, Jesus will be with you wherever you go. (Romans 10:9-10)
    Always be ready to lead people in the prayer of salvation. That is the best decision they are going to do and you have the privilege to show them how to do it. This is an honor, don’t take it for granted.

    If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
    For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.
    Romans 10: 9-10
    “Father, I recognized that I am a sinner and I need a savior. I believe Jesus is your son, I believe He died for me and rose again. Jesus I open my heart to you and I accept you as my Lord and savior. I want to follow you and love you. Please fill me with your Holy Spirit and help me to be more like you. In Jesus’ Name I pray” Amen.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  16. James Couch

    If any atheist or scientist could create life in a lab, out of inorganic material, that could reproduce itself and pass along DNA, then I would be willing to listen to the theory that evolution might be possible.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  17. James Couch

    Any honest atheist would have to admit that it is possible that God exists.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  18. Greg LaPrade

    around 35:00 she encouraged people to turn off Twitter and THINK for awhile… Getting emotionally damaged Postmodern Amerika to think instead of feel?!? Impossible. That WOULD be a miracle.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  19. Some Random

    Are we going with a god of the gaps? Or the classic 'mah book says so'?
    My guess is a combination of both.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  20. Some Random

    So the best you have to offer is you assuming a god must be responsible for the things you don't understand?
    How does anyone believe this crap 🤷‍♂️

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  21. Emmanuel Jacob

    My God told me to tell you that you are all atheists to Him, because you don't believe in him…
    Oh, and… You are goin to hell for eternity because of that.

    You better believe in my God, or else…!! Cheers! 🙂

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  22. Jeff Phelps

    According to Dan Barker if I owned slaves to survive it would be acceptable.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  23. Dan Hudson

    The Four Horseman of "New" Atheism:

    Richard Dawkins

    Sam Harris

    Christopher Hitchens

    Daniel Dennett

    The Four Horseman of Christian Apologetics

    William Lane Craig

    John Lennox

    Ravi Zacharias

    Frank Turek

    The Avengers of "New" Atheism:

    Dan Barker

    Matt Dillahunty

    John W. Loftus

    Aron Ra

    Richard Carrier

    Steven Pinker

    PZ Meyers

    Penn Jillette

    Stephen Woodford("Rationality" Rules)

    Drew McCoy(Genetically Modified Skeptic)

    Alex O Connor(CosmicSkeptic)  

    Lawrence Krauss

    Avengers of Christian Apologetics:

    David Wood

    Tim Stratton

    Alister McGrath

    Nabeel Qureshi

    John McCray (Whaddo you Meme)

    Vocab Malone

    Cameron Burtuzzi

    Michael Jones(Inspiringphilosophy)

    Greg Koukl

    Tim Burnett

    Ray Comfort.

    Ken Ham (At another persons insistence)

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  24. japexican007

    “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” 1 Corinthians‬ 15:1-4‬ KJV‬‬

    1. I declare unto you the gospel (good news)
    2. Wherein ye stand ( foundational doctrine)
    3. By which ye are saved (not lost)
    4. unless ye believed in vain ( there’s a way to falsely believe)

    5. Christ died for our sins
    6. was buried
    7. rose again the third day

    “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”- Ephesians‬ 1:13‬ KJV

    1. ye trusted
    2. ye believed
    3. ye were sealed

    “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” Ephesians‬ 4:30‬ KJV‬‬

    1. ye are sealed

    “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” John‬ 11:25-26‬ KJV‬‬

    1. he that believeth in me; though he were dead, yet shall he live

    2. whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die

    “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John‬ 6:47‬ KJV‬‬

    1. he that believeth on me
    2. hath everlasting life

    “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
    ‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

    1.he that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me
    2. Hath everlasting life
    3. Shall not come into condemnation
    4. Is passed from death unto life

    you’re not saved by what you do, you’re saved by what Christ has done for us, his sacrifice on the cross for the remission of sins so your sins are forgiven and his righteousness is imputed unto you

    “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:” Philippians‬ 3:9‬ KJV‬

    “Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” Romans‬ 3:22-26‬ KJV‬‬

    do you truly believe in his words? Do you truly believe that he died for your sins to be forgiven? Do you truly believe you have passed from death unto life or will You believe what the world wants you to?

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  25. The Chief

    Why don’t we cross examine the slavery and genocide and anti love, etc crap in the Bible.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  26. Nathan Mtetwa

    All science is based on philosophy, but all truth is based on God

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  27. Thundercracker

    “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down” (Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species).

    As such, his theory is breaking down at a rapid fire rate. And making less sense as we progress. Time is the enemy of evolution.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  28. Jeff Phelps

    watch William Lane Craig debate cosmic skeptic. CS was out of his league

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  29. NaVi '

    Question: Do you think you are a good person? If so, have you ever stolen anything, lied, looked lustfully, or used God’s name in vain? (Oh God, Jesus Christ, etc.) If you have done this, you have violated God’s moral law, you admit that you are a liar, a thief, a blasphemer, and an adulterer at heart. So, if God gave you justice right away, would you be innocent or guilty? Obviously guilty. Heaven or hell? Obviously hell because you are a criminal in God's eyes. Don’t ask for forgiveness, try it in court: Judge, I raped a woman and killed her, but I’m so sorry and I won’t do it again. You would still go to jail because you shouldn’t do it again and you should be sorry. So is there any hope? Yes, there is! Out of love and mercy, God became a human being, Jesus Christ. Jesus lived a sinless life and finally died on the cross to bear the punishment we deserve. His resurrection proved that His death( more accurately, His sacrifical Blood) was enough to pay our penalty, the penalty for our sins. When someone pays your fine, the judge can leave you, dismiss your case, it’s the same with God. Jesus paid our penalty and in order to accept the free gift of salvation from God, we must believe (have faith in Jesus for our salvation, His finished work on the Cross). That's it! God bless you and feel free to ask me any question about this.

    Romans 3:10 New International Version (NIV)
    10 As it is written:
    “There is no one righteous, not even one;

    Romans 3:23 New International Version (NIV)
    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    Romans 5:12
    New International Version
    Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
    12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man,(A) and death through sin,(B) and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned(C)—

    Romans 6:23 New International Version (NIV)
    23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Romans 5:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
    8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
    9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!

    Romans 10:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
    9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

    Romans 10:13 New International Version (NIV)
    13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[a]

    John 3:16 New International Version (NIV)
    16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
    8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  30. Samuel Ikechukwu

    Powerful! The more I critically look into atheist arguments, the more I see the blatant silliness of it. Atheism is a leap into nothingness. Just another branch in the road of man's rebellious journey against God.
    Man is naturally sinful and anti-God and atheism is another form of man's rebellion disguised in the name of intellectual search for truth.

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  31. Rickle Pick

    I have too much faith in Jesus to be a Catholic

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  32. Obiwan Duglobi

    Q: "Why are the four natural forces there? Why do they do what they do?" A: "God!"
    This is the classical "God of the Gaps" argument. "The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy." Wikipedia

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply
  33. Michael Ramos

    The strongest argument would be flat earth. That’s why it’s been kept hidden from us!

    February 10, 2021 at 10:16 pm Reply

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