Universalism – Was Paul a Universalist?

Universalism – Was Paul a Universalist?

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Could Romans 5:18-19 be used to argue for universalism? Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason responds.

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10 thoughts on “Universalism – Was Paul a Universalist?

  1. Brian Brodie

    The scripture states no one is cast off by the lord forever.
    This chap here says they are.

    It's a pretty easy equation you either believe the scripture or him.😂

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  2. Corey Friend

    “Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation to all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life to all men.” – Romans 5:18

    Contextually, the first “all men” refers to everyone since all have sinned (Rom. 3:9-21; 5:12-13). Does the second “all men” in Romans 5:18 refer to a different group than the first “all men”?

    “For as by the one man’s disobedience the man were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.” – Romans 5:19

    Contextually, the first “the many” refers to everyone since all have sinned (cf. Rom. 5:15). Does the second “the many” in Romans 5:19 refer to a smaller group than the first “the many”?

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  3. Matthew

    What about 1 Cor 15? 1 Tim 4:10??….

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  4. Jdoe

    I think religious exclusivism is proof enough by itself that we’re over thinking this whole thing the Bible wasn’t written by God it’s man’s word about God and it’s not infallible otherwise there wouldn’t be a different translation made every week and are we really supposed to believe that God is so petty that he will literally cast someone into hellfire forever and ever and ever and ever simply because they were raised Protestant or Catholic or Muslim and were brainwashed into thinking everyone else are heretics and yeah “but mah free will” in order to have true free will we all would have to know without a shadow of a doubt that God is real and God is Muslim or Catholic or Protestant why would A loving God give us a brain that is wired to be logical and need proof and evidence and then command that we just completely shut that off and blindly trust that he’s there and be lucky enough to blindly trust the correct things about him and if we aren’t lucky enough to believe that he’s Catholic or Protestant or Muslim then he’s going to burn us with no hope of escape or at the very least death is a God great enough to create the world and universe and everything in it really that petty and sadistic I highly doubt that so therefore JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD CAME TO EARTH AND DIED ON THE CROSS FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE SAVED SOME BY FAITH OTHERS THROUGH FIRE

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  5. Greg .Shlapak

    The teaching from Jesus about the narrow road is all in the present tense in the Greek- "few are finding it, many are not finding it currently, in the Greek it's present tense.
    Mat 7:13 `Go ye in through the strait gate, because wide [is] the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it;

    14 how strait [is] the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!" Young's Literal Translation

    Could this guy not have known that? Also he's clearly denying many verses that are saying that Jesus covered the sins of all – all we like sheep have gone astray we have turned everyone to our own way and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. God has already done this has laid on him the iniquity of us all, it's a done deal. God told Paul His plan of the ages and it is to save all. But of course it is, why in h### would God plan on losing most, or even losing any?
    Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

    10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him…"

    Here is one from the Old Test – Zeph 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

    9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."

    Did this guy not notice there is not a single word about any hell in the entire Olt Testament? In Daniel it says "shame and contempt" for those who have done evil. That's not hell. In Isaiah it talks about looking at the corpses of those who have rebelled, which would be all of us, by the way, and a corpse is not a spirit or a soul, of course. A corpse is a body without it's spirit. Why would God not clearly warn every human, starting with Adam and Eve? The teaching of eternal torment is so illogical, when you really consider it, it's stunning how unbiblical it is, and irrational. God could have arranged His creation any way He wanted, why would He set the whole thing up as a massive failure? He could have angels visibly talking and guiding every soul throughout their life. Well, He does have a plan, and it will work, because HE is God!
    Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces…"
    Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
    Psalm 66:4 All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah
    Psalm 145:21

    21 My mouth will speak the praise of the Lord,

    And all flesh will bless His holy name forever and ever.

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  6. Didi Lv

    oh no humans will hate that especially the ones who get paid by churches.

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  7. Jay Kaufman

    I sure hope there is a hell because I have a lot of enemies that I am really going to enjoy watching them burn.

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  8. Spirit of '69

    Thankyou. But the question still arises as to what paul means when he says that Jesus is the saviour of all mankind, especially (not exclusively)those believing.
    Many verses support universal reconciliation but of course,a counter doctrine isn't hard to find.

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  9. Bradley Hooper

    I’m an admirer of Greg Koukl, but I think he’s mistaken on this. I wonder what books he has read by proponents of the view. I doubt very much that he has read ‘The Inescapable Love of God’ by Thomas Talbott or David Artman’s ‘Grace Saves All.’

    Greg, if you’re reading this check out David Artman’s podcast. I think the following is accurate having read many books on the subject:

    "…I think no other doctrine can even compete with "no further chances" in terms of the following three factors.  No doctrine even comes close to a) being so strongly believed by so many evangelicals despite b) being so utterly disastrous in its consequences and c) having so little by way of Scriptural support." – Keith DeRose

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply
  10. Rudy Ferrell

    Thank you for telling the truth. It will be hated

    August 6, 2022 at 6:33 pm Reply

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